Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[MikeRoberts 7,159]

30 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The process has never been the problem. Leadership has been the problem.

You can’t be serious with this statement. The process was created by the leadership and has created the leadership//hired the leadership…

the process is broken at Indiana and has been

[WeeDerkaNaut 181]

53 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What types of reactions do you envision? Are you embellishing or do you really believe IU fans will become violent? Should Woodson be concerned for his safety, and that of his family? 

Jerry Krause's wife might have some enlightening insight on that particular question. Do we really want to risk a repeat of that? That was extremely ugly business. If you don't believe sports fanbases are and can get really bad, look at some futbol teams fans, or, if you need something closer to home, the recent situation with the Philly Eagles fan being permanently banned from watching them live. Eagles fans are very well known to be one of the most toxic and violent fanbases out there. So that's two different states that have had that, plus multiple countries. You honestly believe that it wouldn't happen around IU, one of the most storied sports teams in the states? 

[KathywithaC 595]

2 minutes ago, hper50 said:

How about Jake Diebler taking over for Holtmann at OSU literally last year? And the dude got the freakin' job. We obviously aren't even looking for that. Just someone to do as well as they can and reenergize the program as much as possible as we transition.

Mike Davis’ ascension was similar. Will be interesting to see how Diebler does long term.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,622]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

Ohio State last year was a great example of turning the momentum around and almost saving a season by that decision.  Unfortunately for them, he's an average coach and probably shouldn't have won the job long term.  But they ended the season on a very solid note when it was going horribly.  

[HoosierHoopster 7,215]

Checking in after walking away from following the trainwreck of a game last night.

I don't recall ever hearing a student section chant "fire" the coach - neither Archie nor Crean. Was last night the first or has that happened before. That chant was ugly stuff lol

 

[68Hoosier 635]

6 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

I was thinking this exact thing. I was also thinking as IU fans on this board, his line "No, no. We're all in this together!".…LOL

Nobody's walking out on this fun, old-fashioned family Basketball Game. No, no. We're all in this together. This is a full-blown, four-alarm Hoosier emergency here. We're gonna press on, and we're gonna have the hap, hap, happiest season since Bing Crosby tap-danced with Danny F***ing Kaye.

[hper50 1,311]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Mike Davis’ ascension was similar. Will be interesting to see how Diebler does long term.

Who cares how he does long term? We aren't looking for long-term results from whoever would be taking over

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 558]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Let the season play out and then make a reasoned decision based on the results to date and the long term benefit of the program. 

Boos echoing throughout Assembly Hall is what you're getting for the rest of the season....It's going to be super embarrassing on February 8th when Dusty May is cheered when announced and Mike Woodson is booed.  End it now....it's what's best for the long term benefit of the program. Tell me that's not a "reasoned decision based on the results to date". 

[sirhoosierlot 2,858]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Let the season play out and then make a reasoned decision based on the results to date and the long term benefit of the program. 

[mark1981 1,363]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Who would you get to take the interim position?

Any of the assistants will do. Qualified or not.  Doesn't really matter.  I think it would remove the pressure and all of the negative vibes around the program knowing a change is coming.

[KathywithaC 595]

1 minute ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

Jerry Krause's wife might have some enlightening insight on that particular question. Do we really want to risk a repeat of that? That was extremely ugly business. If you don't believe sports fanbases are and can get really bad, look at some futbol teams fans, or, if you need something closer to home, the recent situation with the Philly Eagles fan being permanently banned from watching them live. Eagles fans are very well known to be one of the most toxic and violent fanbases out there. So that's two different states that have had that, plus multiple countries. You honestly believe that it wouldn't happen around IU, one of the most storied sports teams in the states? 

There are, sadly, examples of the extreme behavior of emotionally charged “fans”, but they’re exceedingly rare and shouldn’t drive the decision as to whether a coach stays or goes. If that’s the standard, however, and if people think that could happen with our program and fan base, that would be beyond disappointing and sad. If it occurs, it won’t be because the University failed to fire Woodson in January rather than in early March.

[KathywithaC 595]

5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

You can’t be serious with this statement. The process was created by the leadership and has created the leadership//hired the leadership…

the process is broken at Indiana and has been

The process has been in place for decades and produced Bob Knight.

[Chris007 45,292]

20 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m just not prone to emotionally driven decisions, since they rarely produce good results. 

But long-thought-out decisions have been great with this administration. Do you ever go home some days and say you know what I might be part of the problem?

[PartyintheVillas 186]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

I didn't make a claim either way because I don't have the data. However, let's go back to your original claim that an interim coach would only make the season worse because interim coaches largely make it worse. Let's not move the goalposts to interim coaches are not long term successes, which is a completely different argument. Moving the goalposts is a logical fallacy often used in place of facts, logic, or evidence in order to win an argument because of an emotional stake in the argument. It's bad process.

Anyway:

EddyO (thanks for doing my work for me)
Diebler last season at OSU

Now, I have as many anecdotal pieces of "evidence" that you do. Interim coaches can change the fortunes of a single season and it has happened numerous times. Interim coaches often improve the fortunes of a team for a single season while also not being retained for long term employment. In fact, that could be considered good process.

[KathywithaC 595]

3 minutes ago, hper50 said:

Who cares how he does long term? We aren't looking for long-term results from whoever would be taking over

I get that - we’d just be looking to calm the overly emotional reaction of some fans who aren’t able to do that for themselves. Why would that be a good reason to do something?

[Hoosierfan2017 21,797]

We’ve reached the “players are tweeting at Dakich” point of the season. Luke Goode should probably just stay away from social media..

[iu2win 21]

I think I recall Steve Fisher still had the interim tag when he led Michigan to the National Championship in 1989.

[PartyintheVillas 186]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The process has been in place for decades and produced Bob Knight.

Now, here come the outright lies. Bob Knight was hired before any current processes and people were put into place. Also, a single data point is not conclusive evidence. Citing Bob Knight is an appeal to emotion in this argument.

By saying that the process is the same that hired Bob Knight, you have completely outed yourself as not an insider. You are another anonymous internet troll with opinions and agendas.

Edited Wednesday at 06:20 PM by PartyintheVillas

[MikeRoberts 7,159]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

The process has been in place for decades and produced Bob Knight.

The program has been in shambles for decades no? And we have the same process that has produced how many bad leaders as you have noted? You have to go back to 1974?

jesus

[Stuhoo 81,728]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Let the season play out and then make a reasoned decision based on the results to date and the long term benefit of the program. 

Let the season play out?
Sure; maybe we will do that.

Make a decision based on the results to date and the long term benefit of the program?!!?

Good lord; unless you’re talking about who the replacement will be, it’s way way WAY past the time for that.

The verdict is in. The jury has spoken. The evidence is irrefutable, extensive, and complete, and the results of the Mike Woodson era are that it will not continue beyond, at most, the end of the season.