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Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:04 PM, Chris007 said:

As someone on here said, it might have been you. If someone is on death row and needs a heart transplant you don’t give them a new heart then put them to death the next year. You just just cut the cord now.

That’s why they’re going to extend him :-).

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:04 PM, Chris007 said:

As someone on here said, it might have been you. If someone is on death row and needs a heart transplant you don’t give them a new heart then put them to death the next year. You just just cut the cord now.

…unless they feel disrespected that they didn’t get the heart transplant earlier and now the warden is whining that the previous inmate got 4 years on death row, so this one also gets 4 years. Maybe longer. Maybe the governor pardons him. Maybe the governor pardons him and gives the warden a lifetime appointment to the IU BoT.

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  On 3/9/2024 at 6:09 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

Just for my personal reference -- If you go back and see my posting history, I've been the last guy that has wanted to move on from coaches in the past (except Tom Allen) and in some cases I didn't think we should have.  I personally thought that when we moved on from Crean we shouldn't have moved on as quickly as we did -- we were one year removed from a Big Ten Championship.  Archie Miller I was just more upset that it didn't work out.  I still say that on paper Archie Miller should have worked out but it didn't.  The hiring of Woodson seemed strange but if you go back on my timeline you'll see I was all for giving it a chance.  Mike Davis ended up losing support of the some in the fan base for his failure to recruit Indiana, but that is something I really haven't felt was that improtant.  If you can play I don't care if you are from Mars.

And yet here I am with Woodson saying we've seen enough after three years.  I see in no way him ever addressing or fixing what is wrong.  To me you can either give a guy who you know isn't the answer and then try to bring someone into an even more damaged product or you move on now.  Next guy may or may not have it, but in my estimation that is better then sticking with something you know doesn't and refuses to listen or answer to legitimate questions.

I'm going to have to disagree. If we got a ball player who was from Mars that would be huge, world changing news. I would care.

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  On 3/9/2024 at 8:51 PM, JSHoosier said:

You forgot one, he's shown zero ability to clean up the mess the only exists because he caused it.

A large part of the IU fan base believes that he will further damage the program by staying another year.  IMO, Ngw does not view this as a significant enough risk to make the move.  This is not an assessment I would believe he shares with most posters on here.  And it's not because we are just clubbing together.  It's because we ARE concerned about where he takes the program.  I know that he's said you don't 'make a change just to make a change'......but I don't think that he believes that for most of us that is not what we are looking to do.  You can't simply ignore the trajectory the program has taken under his watch.

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:04 PM, Chris007 said:

As someone on here said, it might have been you. If someone is on death row and needs a heart transplant you don’t give them a new heart then put them to death the next year. You just just cut the cord now.

That was me.  And yes that's what they're planning to do.  Absolute insanity.  

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:15 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

A large part of the IU fan base believes that he will further damage the program by staying another year.  IMO, Ngw does not view this as a significant enough risk to make the move.  This is not an assessment I would believe he shares with most posters on here.  And it's not because we are just clubbing together.  It's because we ARE concerned about where he takes the program.  I know that he's said you don't 'make a change just to make a change'......but I don't think that he believes that for most of us that is not what we are looking to do.  You can't simply ignore the trajectory the program has taken under his watch.

To be fair, it's hard to get much lower than having zero recruits.

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The foundation of the program is eroding quickly and you don't repair it by just hoping it fixes itself. Keeping Woodson is not only hoping it fixes itself but letting the guy that cracked it to begin with be the one to over see it. If you think that Woodson staying another year is in anyway beneficial to the long term health of the program you are (stealing a quote from Scott Coffield) "either lying or stupid".

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:43 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

FWIW, I hope I am 100% wrong about what would happen to the program next season if Woodson returns.

Always rather win and be wrong the lose and be right.  Don't think I am wrong, but nobody every thinks they are wrong in their own opinion.

Same. It was just much easier to squint and see a good outcome with McNeeley, and even that would’ve needed lots to go right.

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:43 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

FWIW, I hope I am 100% wrong about what would happen to the program next season if Woodson returns.

Always rather win and be wrong the lose and be right.  Don't think I am wrong, but nobody ever thinks they are wrong in their own opinion.

I’d love to say you’re wrong, but unfortunately I think your opinion is spot on, and I’d wager most everybody here has that opinion as well. That’s what’s so maddening about all this. It’s like we’re just voiding next season before it even starts. I just don’t get it.

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  On 3/9/2024 at 9:51 PM, rcbowla said:
The foundation of the program is eroding quickly and you don't repair it by just hoping it fixes itself. Keeping Woodson is not only hoping it fixes itself but letting the guy that cracked it to begin with be the one to over see it. If you think that Woodson staying another year is in anyway beneficial to the long term health of the program you are (stealing a quote from Scott Coffield) "either lying or stupid".
And we will miss out on guys by keeping him no question.

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  On 3/9/2024 at 7:50 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

What I don't get is Woodson saying that 'he didn't know if Trey and Anthony would be going through senior day ceremonies, he hadn't sat down with them yet'.

How can a head coach not have had those conversations yet?   Yes, things can change, but having a gauge on who might/might not come back should have a huge effect on recruiting.

Why have that conversation when there are over 50 games left in the season? Oh, right...

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