(C) Kel 'el Ware - COMMITTED TO INDIANA

[Lebowski]

9 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I'm happy, don't get me wrong, but sad this is what it's come to. The days of kids coming to IU because they love IU seems to be a thing of the past.

I'll always have the memories. Well... actually, maybe not. Although, I'm amazed that I can remember IU's lineup from 40 years ago, but can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday.

I can see a scenario where kids will love coming to IU for a chance at winning a title and developing to raise their stock, all while getting paid. Winning and development was ultimately the reason why kids loved IU in the past. Now IU can finally sit at table that's pretty much always been around because you know, it's legal now. 

[Lebowski]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

NCAA won’t be able to do Jack. They never have really, so long as the big boys with deep pockets eat.  
 

same will be true until eternity. A “fair” market value will be figured out over a few seasons.  Duke, UK, Gonzaga, and a few others will be able to curb stomp that market value and keep mostly who they want.  The others will get in a pecking order and decide where they want to spend their “salary cap”.  
 

Whatever type of limitation the NCAA tries to enact will be legally avoided by those trying to win. 

I don't see Gonzaga having deep pockets with the likes of Duke or UK. I foresee new universities getting in on this because of how incredibly deep their pockets are. Like don't rule out a school like Miami or Texas. It's going to be about alumni aka collective dollars when it's all said and done. Marketability will take a back seat because it's not about that anymore. It helps but in the end it's about collective dollars. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

20 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I don't see Gonzaga having deep pockets with the likes of Duke or UK. I foresee new universities getting in on this because of how incredibly deep their pockets are. Like don't rule out a school like Miami or Texas. It's going to be about alumni aka collective dollars when it's all said and done. Marketability will take a back seat because it's not about that anymore. It helps but in the end it's about collective dollars. 

I included Gonzaga because that’s a school that surprised me too but the Hysterics were in awe with their donors and the amount of money we are competing with. Some other schools that we’d assume are up a notch, the hysterics say we compete well with. 
 

In addition, The financial and political power of Nike is immeasurable. The schools Nike stand behind have a level that is tough to compete with. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

22 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

People way smarter than me will have to figure it out but I could see all of this being collectively bargained at some point with players unions and salary caps. 

I can see something similar in the future too but my point is the fat cats will do whatever is necessary to gain a competive and financial advantage. If we are currently in that 10-15 range in the pecking order you’d think we should be able to parlay that into good success.  

[rayl456]

53 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I can see a scenario where kids will love coming to IU for a chance at winning a title and developing to raise their stock, all while getting paid. Winning and development was ultimately the reason why kids loved IU in the past. Now IU can finally sit at table that's pretty much always been around because you know, it's legal now. 

The $$$ ultimately plays the biggest part in your scenario, IMO.  I think it's simply the nature of the beast and the state of our sports world.

[go iu bb]

7 hours ago, bigrod said:

the days of kids coming to IU because they love IU seems to be a thing of the past.

Leal and Sparks are confused by this take. 

[CSP]

24 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Leal and Sparks are confused by this take. 

So is Trey and TJD. JHS bawled his eyes out after the Miami game. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

5 hours ago, bigrod said:

I'm happy, don't get me wrong, but sad this is what it's come to. The days of kids coming to IU because they love IU seems to be a thing of the past.

I'll always have the memories. Well... actually, maybe not. Although, I'm amazed that I can remember IU's lineup from 40 years ago, but can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday.

Times had changed on this long before NIL came around. Kids that are dying to play at IU b/c they love IU will still come but were also likely fewer and farther between. We should love NIL because we still have the fanbase to support it and build a consistent program that competes at the level we expect from the days when it was normal for kids to come to IU just b/c they loved IU.

[Stuhoo]

26 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Times had changed on this long before NIL came around. Kids that are dying to play at IU b/c they love IU will still come but were also likely fewer and farther between. We should love NIL because we still have the fanbase to support it and build a consistent program that competes at the level we expect from the days when it was normal for kids to come to IU just b/c they loved IU.

My question is do they end their time at IU loving it completely?

Lots of kids, both athletes and non-athletes, choose a school while not quite sure if they’re going to love it. Some non-athletes make that choice based on financial reasons; scholarships for academic achievement.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

My question is do they end their time at IU loving it completely.

One of the ones I’m curious about is Miller Kopp. He seemed to recognize all the good and all the tougher aspects of being a Hoosier. I wonder what his honest take is now. He’s a likeable dude but maybe a tad bit sensitive. He’d be an interesting one to talk to at length.

Sidenote- one of the things that make an experience much more meaningful is overcoming obstacles. The transfer portal provides an easy out in these circumstances so that will be an interesting thing to follow.


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[RaceToTheTop]

14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

One of the ones I’m curious about is Miller Kopp. He seemed to recognize all the good and all the tougher aspects of being a Hoosier. I wonder what his honest take is now. He’s a likeable dude but maybe a tad bit sensitive. He’d be an interesting one to talk to at length.

Sidenote- one of the things that make an experience much more meaningful is overcoming obstacles. The transfer portal provides an easy out in these circumstances so that will be an interesting thing to follow.


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Then again, there are still fewer basketball players changing schools or dropping out than the general population.  And this is a two way street….a lot of players are all but told by the program that they basically need to hit the portal.

[Uspshoosier]

28 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

One of the ones I’m curious about is Miller Kopp. He seemed to recognize all the good and all the tougher aspects of being a Hoosier. I wonder what his honest take is now. He’s a likeable dude but maybe a tad bit sensitive. He’d be an interesting one to talk to at length.

Sidenote- one of the things that make an experience much more meaningful is overcoming obstacles. The transfer portal provides an easy out in these circumstances so that will be an interesting thing to follow.


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[cthomas]

6 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Leal and Sparks are confused by this take. 

I love this because there are kids who still feel that way. But, in my opinion, they are a dying breed. Money corrupts everything. Once we start down that road there is no turning back. I know the under the table stuff has always been there. I think of the old racing saying, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying."

[Josh]

On 4/14/2023 at 2:34 PM, bigrod said:

I'm happy, don't get me wrong, but sad this is what it's come to. The days of kids coming to IU because they love IU seems to be a thing of the past.

I'll always have the memories. Well... actually, maybe not. Although, I'm amazed that I can remember IU's lineup from 40 years ago, but can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday.

I'm not sure what this means.  I think kids have always chosen schools because of what it will do for them.  I honestly don't think things have changed at all except for getting more money now.  Unless I'm missing something?  Do you have an example?

[IUFAN1976]

On 4/14/2023 at 2:34 PM, bigrod said:

I'm happy, don't get me wrong, but sad this is what it's come to. The days of kids coming to IU because they love IU seems to be a thing of the past.

I'll always have the memories. Well... actually, maybe not. Although, I'm amazed that I can remember IU's lineup from 40 years ago, but can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday.

Sounds like Alzheimer’s has set in!!!

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

10 minute game misconduct penalty on IUFAN1976 for liking his own post.  

[IUFAN1976]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

10 minute game misconduct penalty on IUFAN1976 for liking his own post.  

I did, I thought it was funny!  If you can’t laugh at yourself, then there is no sense laughing at others either!   I’m taking my penalty in the penalty box starting now

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

10 minute game misconduct penalty on IUFAN1976 for liking his own post.  

He liked a post he made on saying someone has Alzheimer's.  Maybe he was going for irony.

He liked a post he made on saying someone has Alzheimer's.  Maybe he was going for irony.

He liked a post...

[Demo]

Ware is on the Hoosier Hysterics podcast tomorrow. Hardly ever listen to them, but absolutely will this time. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Ware is on the Hoosier Hysterics podcast tomorrow. Hardly ever listen to them, but absolutely will this time. 

I listen to them regularly and for as much hate as they get, I think they do a great job. The early recruiting stuff was wrong in a lot of ways. The way they’ve been handling themselves post NIL has been pretty spot on.


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