IUBB 2023 B1G Tournament March 8-12, 2023

[HoosierAloha]

22 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yes, that’s my point. The 6-0 against them makes the 0-6 in very winnable games all the more disappointing. We beat PSU tonight and we’re playing for a championship tomorrow afternoon. The guys just didn’t show up. We go 3-2 in those 5 games instead of 0-5, we’re regular season conference champs. We’ve seen what this team is capable of, but that version of the team only shows up about 60% of the time. We were the highest ranked B1G team in the preseason polls and were the preseason conference favorite. 

It's difficult to compete all the time. We have early games that we're not awake for and sometimes those late games we'd rather be other places. Sometimes we have a quicker turnaround than other teams. We're the only team that has had injuries this season. Sometimes teams continue to hit circus shots against us and it messes with our feels. We're confused how teams can shoot so well from deep against us while also getting to the line and outrebounding us.

All in all I'd say competing 60% of the time is quite excellent. If we were playing baseball we'd have a half a billion dollar contract.

[Hoosierfan2017]

15 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

You think IU goes 3-2 with X playing in those games?   It would have been interesting how they would have finished in the B1G if they had their starting pg. 

IU was 13th preseason according to the polls and will probably finish in the top 25 and have a top 16 resume.   Things could have went a whole lot worse.   Injuries happen but I think X injury prevented IU from reaching their potential.  
 

Acc- preseason favorite- North Carolina 

sec- Kentucky, Arkansas picked 1 and 2 in preseason   

I know they are needed and for the fans but pre season polls and rankings are kind of silly especially now with the transfer portal.  

Sure, maybe. But if we’re good enough to go into Mackey and beat Purdue without our starting point guard, we’re good enough to not let a very mediocre Iowa team come into Assembly Hall 3 days later and blow us off our home court by 22. That’s why I say we left a lot on the table this season. We never know when we’re going to get Dr. Jekyll versus when we’re going to get Mr. Hyde. 

I only bring up the preseason polls because of the comment that we met preseason expectations. 

[TheWatShot]

8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's difficult to compete all the time. We have early games that we're not awake for and sometimes those late games we'd rather be other places. Sometimes we have a quicker turnaround than other teams. We're the only team that has had injuries this season. Sometimes teams continue to hit circus shots against us and it messes with our feels. We're confused how teams can shoot so well from deep against us while also getting to the line and outrebounding us.

All in all I'd say competing 60% of the time is quite excellent. If we were playing baseball we'd have a half a billion dollar contract.

Go touch grass, or something. Seriously. 

[Stuhoo]

25 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

You think IU goes 3-2 with X playing in those games?   It would have been interesting how they would have finished in the B1G if they had their starting pg. 

IU was 13th preseason according to the polls and will probably finish in the top 25 and have a top 16 resume.   Things could have went a whole lot worse.   Injuries happen but I think X injury prevented IU from reaching their potential.  
 

Acc- preseason favorite- North Carolina 

sec- Kentucky, Arkansas picked 1 and 2 in preseason   

I know they are needed and for the fans but pre season polls and rankings are kind of silly especially now with the transfer portal.  

Purdue without Braden Smith

Northwestern without Buie

Rutgers without Mulcahy 

MSU without Hoggard

Iowa without Perkins

Maryland without Young

Think any of those would have done as well as IU without Xavier Johnson?

Now look at the B1G teams who lost their point; Michigan without Llewelyn (no NCAA) and Illinois without Epps (faded).

THERE’s your reasonable take on how well IU has done without their preseason first team all B1G point guard. We’ve done damn well.

 

[HoosierAloha]

14 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Go touch grass, or something. Seriously. 

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

We’ve got two other guys who are 40+% on catch and shoot threes. Taking a 1v1 contested shot with a 36% shooter is sub-optimal. Whatever he did yesterday is as irrelevant as that last roulette number. 

Both of those shooters seemed to he hesitant to shoot unless they are wide open. I rather have JHS take the shot. He tied the game late against UM to send the game to OT and last night hit the dagger so he is clutch.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Fo-shizzle!

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Kind of an underwhelming season at this point. Better than the Archie years, so it’s hard to complain too much, but it feels like we left a ton on the table. 0-6 against PSU/Iowa/Northwestern. The conference regular season and tournament titles were within reach, but we shot ourselves in the foot on both. We’ll see which team decides to show up in the NCAA tournament. 

Been a very good season by finishing 2nd in the league and getting probably a 4 seed in the tournament. Doing all if that with having your original starting lineup together for 6 games. Also had the most games lost to injury in the big ten

 

[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

We’ve got two other guys who are 40+% on catch and shoot threes. Taking a 1v1 contested shot with a 36% shooter is sub-optimal. Whatever he did yesterday is as irrelevant as that last roulette number. 

I didn't like the shot with that much time still left without running something. The problem with that is the two guys shooting 40+% might not have gotten the shot off in time as evidenced by passing it around for a shot clock violation earlier in the game.

Kopp has to be the leader in shot fakes for a "shooter" or not shooting when open. I believe part of it is his slow release and fear of getting blocked.

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, sweetpain said:

Woodson will have to earn his pay along with his assistants that recruit. If he wants to be a coach at IU that makes it, he has to put together tournament teams every year or he will get compared to Crean if we fall off next year and will need to make it farther than S16 too. I want it to happen and believe he can, but not sure if he will?

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Right now we are still an island of misfit toys.  This year everyone got a pretty good look at Woodson and his style.   TJD is way better than he was before woody.  JHS took major steps from game one to now under Woody.  I have to think there will be legit portal interest as well as high level recruits the next few years.

[RaceToTheTop]

In 20 Big Ten games, IU’s opponents shot 40% or better from three 4 times.  10 times opponents were under 30% from deep.  In big ten play, opponents shot 32.8% from three.  If our Big Ten opponents were a single team, they would have been 185th in three point shots made per game and 250th in shooting percentage.

Now, what you do when presented with evidence is up to you but statistically IU did better at defending the three once big ten play hit.  If you to focus on the first Penn State game, cool….but that’s just picking the anecdote to fit your narrative.  Offensively, IU had an issue with the lack of threes taken.  But that’s a separate issue.

[Hoosier Guy]

Overall, IU has had a good season. Not great, but good. The absence of Xavier for all but two B1G games is a huge deal obviously. The fact that IU is going to be a 5 seed at the least isn’t too bad considering that circumstance. What eats at me is that IU went 6-0 against Purdue, Michigan and Illinois. If you would’ve told me that before the season, I would’ve said there’s no way IU doesn’t win the B1G championship. The flip side of that is the fact that IU went 0-6 against Northwestern, Iowa and Penn State. That is unacceptable. The only thing that changes this season from good to great is a run in the NCAA tournament

[HoosierHoopster]

9 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Right now we are still an island of misfit toys.  This year everyone got a pretty good look at Woodson and his style.   TJD is way better than he was before woody.  JHS took major steps from game one to now under Woody.  I have to think there will be legit portal interest as well as high level recruits the next few years.

And Galloway developed an outside shot, significant for him and the team. I have some issues with Woodson and his stubbornness but I’m big overall on what he’s done to develop key players, the team, and the culture.

Overall he has IU back on track, and recruiting should continue to grow with the team’s progress, renewed stature, and putting guys in the NBA

[Whoozhers]

Maybe IU should change from the Indiana HOOSIERS to the Indiana YO-YO’s.
They have too good of talent to be so up and down.
Certainly need shooting lessons on how to hit the broadside of a barn.
My optimism for the big dance is waning big league.
On to the next hill to climb…..

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Maybe IU should change from the Indiana HOOSIERS to the Indiana YO-YO’s.
They have too good of talent to be so up and down.
Certainly need shooting lessons on how to hit the broadside of a barn.
My optimism for the big dance is waning big league.
On to the next hill to climb…..

It could be a steep climb. Next year without TJD will answer a lot of questions about the staff.

Imo we are lucky to be projected a 4 seed. Most metrics have us around #30 which would be a 7-8. The difference between us and 10 other big ten teams is negligible. We don’t shoot well enough to have a real punchers chance this year.

Reneau is good. Only going to get better. X is solid but very limited. Not a great shooter. Galloway? Depends. Bates? It’s looked bad but the last 2 games offer some encouragement. Banks and Gunn are probably another year away. Most B1G teams had their off year this year (sans Northwestern and Penn State). Most will be better next year than this year. We didn’t capitalize like we should have. Next year, will be a prove it year.


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[lillurk]

57 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Overall, IU has had a good season. Not great, but good. The absence of Xavier for all but two B1G games is a huge deal obviously. The fact that IU is going to be a 5 seed at the least isn’t too bad considering that circumstance. What eats at me is that IU went 6-0 against Purdue, Michigan and Illinois. If you would’ve told me that before the season, I would’ve said there’s no way IU doesn’t win the B1G championship. The flip side of that is the fact that IU went 0-6 against Northwestern, Iowa and Penn State. That is unacceptable. The only thing that changes this season from good to great is a run in the NCAA tournament

 

50 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

And Galloway developed an outside shot, significant for him and the team. I have some issues with Woodson and his stubbornness but I’m big overall on what he’s done to develop key players, the team, and the culture.

Overall he has IU back on track, and recruiting should continue to grow with the team’s progress, renewed stature, and putting guys in the NBA

These are a nice summary of where I’m at: good season given ALL the injuries AND given that it’s easy to imagine the one season-ending injury could’ve changed things for the positive — either in games we’ve already seen or differential tournament outcomes.

One thing that stood out this week: Mike Woodson deeply cares about winning the conference and the BTT. Not sure Archie Miller ever talked about either after Fred Glass outlined expectations in his opening press conference.

Even last year, when he really didn’t  have the horses. Even this year, when he lost one of his 3 best players to injury and started 1-4 in conference. I think that’s part of why the team bounced back. Even yesterday, after the game and the last chance at either this year was over, he was lamenting it for his seniors.

Thats not everything, and I’m not as big on goal setting as some of the folks who write business management books. But it matters a lot, I think. They’ll get one sooner than later.

[Golfman25]

6 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

In 20 Big Ten games, IU’s opponents shot 40% or better from three 4 times.  10 times opponents were under 30% from deep.  In big ten play, opponents shot 32.8% from three.  If our Big Ten opponents were a single team, they would have been 185th in three point shots made per game and 250th in shooting percentage.

Now, what you do when presented with evidence is up to you but statistically IU did better at defending the three once big ten play hit.  If you to focus on the first Penn State game, cool….but that’s just picking the anecdote to fit your narrative.  Offensively, IU had an issue with the lack of threes taken.  But that’s a separate issue.

While defending the three seems to stand out as the weak link on defense, I think a bigger issue is not being able to stop a run with scoring. How different is the season if we didn’t go thru long stretches of no scoring. I’d bet  Just cutting those stretches in half would have yielded a few extra wins.  Like last night, we needed guys to step up and score, but they didn’t. 

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Overall, IU has had a good season. Not great, but good. The absence of Xavier for all but two B1G games is a huge deal obviously. The fact that IU is going to be a 5 seed at the least isn’t too bad considering that circumstance. What eats at me is that IU went 6-0 against Purdue, Michigan and Illinois. If you would’ve told me that before the season, I would’ve said there’s no way IU doesn’t win the B1G championship. The flip side of that is the fact that IU went 0-6 against Northwestern, Iowa and Penn State. That is unacceptable. The only thing that changes this season from good to great is a run in the NCAA tournament

But take the names off of those teams and you are saying we went 2-0 against three teams who will probably be a 1 seed, 8 or 9 seed, and an NIT team and 0-2 against teams that will be a 6 or 7 seed, and a couple 10 or so seeds.  The only thing that is surprising is the sweep of the 1 seed.

[OliviaPope40]

OT but true

[HoosierAloha]

8 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

In 20 Big Ten games, IU’s opponents shot 40% or better from three 4 times.  10 times opponents were under 30% from deep.  In big ten play, opponents shot 32.8% from three.  If our Big Ten opponents were a single team, they would have been 185th in three point shots made per game and 250th in shooting percentage.

Now, what you do when presented with evidence is up to you but statistically IU did better at defending the three once big ten play hit.  If you to focus on the first Penn State game, cool….but that’s just picking the anecdote to fit your narrative.  Offensively, IU had an issue with the lack of threes taken.  But that’s a separate issue.

It would be interesting to see the data on this. Giving up threes isn't the only reason for losses but a piece to it. I would guess giving up offensive rebounds from either threes or attempting to block shots which results in quick and easy 2s along with fouling the **** out of teams had a lot more to do with it.

It didn't seem our lineup matched our results. We had a "big" lineup but struggled to rebound and get to the line enough for that "big" lineup. The modern offensive you mentioned at the end also has a lot to do with reaching our potential on that end of the floor.