*RANT HERE*

[BH33 596]

8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I like Dusty as a person and coach but he still has to prove it some more. Archie fooled me by winning at Dayton and having a good tournament run. As the Who say We won't get fooled again. Dusty has some really bad losses this season and needs to right the ship. He's in my top 5 though

who are your other 4 ?

[str8baller 5,253]

49 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I don't think this was ever in question.

After watching last night, I was questioning if anyone remotely associated with Indiana University, including myself, knew anything about basketball. I think I’m a little dumber after watching that game.  
 

I can’t even decide what is the worst part. I think I have settled on 4/15 from the FT line. I would bet a thousand dollars Cheaney could walk off the bench and hit 5 or more out of 15 right handed. 

[8bucks 6,442]

Dolson said he was surprised at how much the Woody hiring healed the former player/fan base which makes me think a change would only happen this year if Woody and he found a way to end this without a firing.  Would be hard to do for Woody, to essentially give up after trying for many years to get the job, but they could focus on what the hiring did to restore things.  Sure a bit of fluff is needed here but if the story was that Woody helped right the ship by:

1. Bridging the RMK past to the future - probably the biggest thing
2. Getting us back to being a regular NCAA tournament team
3. Consistently beating Purdue (though this year will really be tough)

Give him permanent courtside seats or something, maybe an ambassador role and try to let him feel like he accomplished a lot in his 3 years.

[Chris007 44,066]

7 minutes ago, BH33 said:

who are your other 4 ?

Good question and as soon as I typed that I figured someone would ask. I think a good AD should always have a top 5 list with every sport and make sure it is an ever-changing list. First off I'm not on the Chris Beard train. I just don't think you should ever lay your hands on a woman. I can't get over that part just yet. I believe in second chances but not so soon.

Bruce Pearl is on my list

Micah Schrewsberry is on my list

Dusty May

I'm still willing to throw out huge money at Brad Stevens

I'm not sure what the other one is right now. It's not Scott Drew, or Porter Mosier 

But remember I'm just a nobody posting on a message board.

[JSHoosier 20,209]

41 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I'm not saying a HC can't have hobbies, enjoy a cigar, drink, or kick back with some buddies from time to time - but when your team (players, assistants) are barely treading water, struggling with basics of basketball (Free throws, blocking out, TO issues due to lack of O gameplan/execution, middling at best scouting reports, and numerous off-court issues) and I see the HC smokin and jokin, talking about tee times, telling press that he won't answer their (or the fans) questions about obvious mistakes.. maybe coach should start logging some 14–16-hour days consecutively (maybe string that into a few weeks w/ no breaks) and worry about cigars/tee times/friends less until April. It's just a slap in the face and makes the feeling of apathy so prevalent. I'm sure the will to win is there w/ Woodson, but is the willing sacrifice of the lush lifestyle to grind it out there?

From my perspective this operation is being ran like someone enjoying retirement while collecting a huge check. Retirement well deserved for Woody, but the lifestyle that is being displayed through social media does not particularly give me or any fan confidence that there is desperation to win at a large scale.  

Are Dan Hurley, Painter, Larranaga, Barnes, eg smoking cigars w/ old buddies and posting on X or are their noses to the grindstone? Which would you rather have? 

If Woody makes a habit of last night's press conference that dude can KICK ROCKS. A valid question was asked and instead of being transparent and honest, he responded with "I'm not answering your question or the fans." There is no better way to symbolize your nose in the air, "I'm above you" than to respond to a valid Q in that fashion. It made my blood boil, sounded like a career politician. 

If he watched that crap last night and doesn't think he needs to make changes then he's smoking more than just a cigar.

[Hovadipo 56,129]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

I would bet a thousand dollars Cheaney could walk off the bench and hit 5 or more out of 15 right handed. 

One of the dumber things that fans of all teams and sports do is the "I could do that" thing.

THAT SAID, I firmly believe that easily over 27% (our free throw percentage last night!) of BTB posters could go 4/15 or better from the line with a few warmup tosses. Maybe I'm giving us too much credit, but I doubt it.

[Hoosier987 1,160]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Our staff is bad. We don't have coaches behind Woody. Not a one. We have some dumb advisor Woody likes that sit by him. Then we have 3 top assistants who couldn't coach basketball to save their lives. If we had a legitimate basketball mind anywhere on the bench, we'd be in better shape. If we could replace Woody's "advisor" right hand man, with anyone with a basketball IQ above 0, we'd be better.

 

So no .. this staff isn't capable of fixing it's problems. Yes men. All they are.

The staff doesn't have the guts to say anything to Woodson...unfortunately, for them, it may cost them in the long run.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,672]

I could do better than 4-15 left handed.

[Kentuckysucks 2,259]

19 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Sky might be falling but I agree with you, I want a fun modern offense with lots of shooters

I know a guy...

[Hoosier987 1,160]

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I like Dusty as a person and coach but he still has to prove it some more. Archie fooled me by winning at Dayton and having a good tournament run. As the Who say We won't get fooled again. Dusty has some really bad losses this season and needs to right the ship. He's in my top 5 though

Agreed and a legit thought....the one reason why I don't think he would be like Archie is because Dusty knows what he is getting into. Archie didn't have a clue.

[Chris007 44,066]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I know a guy...

He has that look like should I crap my pants or walk to the restroom

[Chris007 44,066]

1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

Agreed and a legit thought....the one reason why I don't think he would be like Archie is because Dusty knows what he is getting into. Archie didn't have a clue.

I tend to agree with that but the bad losses this season have me a little hesitant 

[Hovadipo 56,129]

2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I know a guy...

That face you make when Pepsi is the official soft drink of the CFP

[Kentuckysucks 2,259]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

He has that look like should I crap my pants or walk to the restroom

Poor guy probably still has nightmares from that incident at the Kyrie Irving household ;-)

[Adillac 953]

Vented over Mike Woodson as many of us did last night...and he def isn't the coach I want here....however, I think with the transfer portal and the NIL stuff....It would seem that leadership is down across the board.Talent is more spread out among the schools and the style of basketball (3pt shooting fest), it doesn't matter as much who you have in terms of NBA talent- anyone (almost) can beat anyone at any time, which is great in some respects but it also takes away from the drama of the past- david and goliath. Everyone is kind of the same. For instance- Rutgers could come to Btown and lose by 20 and then do we really know who is better? They both are kind of terrible. Oh well. No one in the B1G for instance is actually that much better than anyone else. Edey is the only reason we think Purdue is somewhat a bit ahead of everyone else. But when you take him away, they are just a Wisconsin team. 

You can't really have many effective true leaders among the big schools because the young men are now the prize and the school is paying for the privilege of their patronage. It makes leadership inept. Coaches can't demand anything from anyone. It's all about the money and the agents and the shoe companies. Mike Woodson isn't in control of this team anymore than Scott Dolson is anymore than Tim Garl. They are all just getting paid to play a part in the big money game that enriches the hell out of them, the players and leaves the fans watching nothing that represents their values, their community their town or their school. 

The next coach who comes here is going to hopefully be better at building rosters, better at substitution patters, and some other things...but ultimately they are all place holders, PR people who answer meaningless Qs at the ends of games. I think college athletics as we used to know them, are broken for good. 

[Hoosier987 1,160]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I tend to agree with that but the bad losses this season have me a little hesitant 

Very true.

We're in a very precarious situation as a program. As you and I discussed last week, it's not as simple as just firing Mike Woodson. He is part of the family. Firing Woodson could have severe implications on the program. There's too many "political" issues that would arise. If we try to nudge him out, Woodson would have to go on his own accord and he's very stubborn (look at last nights press conference)...so I don't see that happening. I doubt Buckner or May will do anything from behind. For better or worse, we might have to pray Woodson somehow turns it around. We're unfortunately stuck in this situation. 

I will say this, I do think things get better when Xavier Johnson leaves. I have no idea why Woodson brought him back for a 6th year...but he ain't it. We need alpha dogs and leaders too. As much as Reneau has improved and will be happy if he returns, I don't see him as a leader. Just don't. This off-season is going to be pivotal for the future of this program.

 

[Henryville Hoosier 972]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I tend to agree with that but the bad losses this season have me a little hesitant 

I wonder how many of their losses were from lack of effort.

[Chris007 44,066]

Just now, Hoosier987 said:

Very true.

We're in a very precarious situation as a program. As you and I discussed last week, it's not as simple as just firing Mike Woodson. He is part of the family. Firing Woodson could have severe implications on the program. There's too many "political" issues that would arise. If we try to nudge him out, Woodson would have to go on his own accord and he's very stubborn...so I don't see that happening. I doubt Buckner or May will do anything from behind. For better or worse, we might have to pray Woodson somehow turns it around. We're unfortunately stuck in this situation. 

I will say this, I do think things get better when Xavier Johnson leaves. I have no idea why Woodson brought him back for a 6th year...but he ain't it. We need alpha dogs and leaders too. As much as Reneau has improved and will be happy he returns, I don't see him as a leader. Just don't. This off-season is going to be pivotal for the future of this program.

 

I agree if you fire him now you lose a lot of the old guard. Isiah, Randy, May, those guys. Yes, this off-season is going to be really interesting.

If the wheels fall off the rest of the season it might be easier to nudge him out

[Chris007 44,066]

3 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

I wonder how many of their losses were from lack of effort.

I honestly can't answer that

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,395]

22 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Dolson said he was surprised at how much the Woody hiring healed the former player/fan base which makes me think a change would only happen this year if Woody and he found a way to end this without a firing.  Would be hard to do for Woody, to essentially give up after trying for many years to get the job, but they could focus on what the hiring did to restore things.  Sure a bit of fluff is needed here but if the story was that Woody helped right the ship by:

1. Bridging the RMK past to the future - probably the biggest thing
2. Getting us back to being a regular NCAA tournament team
3. Consistently beating Purdue (though this year will really be tough)

Give him permanent courtside seats or something, maybe an ambassador role and try to let him feel like he accomplished a lot in his 3 years.

           4. Kelvin Sampson returning as Indiana's basketball coach

The only thing sweeter than redemption is absolution. I don't care how much groveling Dolson has to do, make it happen.