2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[jonz44]

 
McNeil has a high school sweetheart fiancé. Not saying that will prevent him from having a lot of fun, but that does change the dynamic a little.
 

But does McNeil have a high school side chick? A man has to cover all their bases...js!

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[RaceToTheTop]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But can you deny it’s not a talent upgrade? A defensive player of the year your adding who shoots close to Kopp. Our defense gets better and so does our offense with everyone coming back. Plus it’s Kopp getting less minutes. I think we find a way for Leal to still be at IU.

So let Kopp move on if Dennis is an upgrade.  Even if Leal doesn't play a minute, should we really be investing time with Kopp at a wing when it when those minutes would likely be better spent on Bates and Galloway (and this is not even getting into the JG at a wing argument)?

[Chris007]

6 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said:

@Chris007 so would you say Leal is gone if we get Dennis?

No I’m not sure 100% about that. I’m under the impression they are trying to figure out a way for Leal to stay just not on scholarship.

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So let Kopp move on if Dennis is an upgrade.  Even if Leal doesn't play a minute, should we really be investing time with Kopp at a wing when it when those minutes would likely be better spent on Bates and Galloway (and this is not even getting into the JG at a wing argument)?

I’m all for Kopp moving on. 

[JerryYeagley23]

11 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said:

@Chris007 so would you say Leal is gone if we get Dennis?

No. 

[RaceToTheTop]

Just now, Chris007 said:

I’m all for Kopp moving on. 

What I have advocated for is that once a player has played four years, the school IMO does not owe the player anything beyond that and that the ability to continue playing after that is not a given.  In terms of Leal being from Bloomington.....I think that is irrelevant and I couldn't care less. It's the potential of pushing someone out the door who was brought in, was the first to say they were committed to the school when the previous coach was fired, was one of the players who didn't nearly screw the team out of an NCAA appearance by skipping curfew in Chicago, and has been nothing but a good team mate.

[cthomas]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

What I have advocated for is that once a player has played four years, the school IMO does not owe the player anything beyond that and that the ability to continue playing after that is not a given.  In terms of Leal being from Bloomington.....I think that is irrelevant and I couldn't care less. It's the potential of pushing someone out the door who was brought in, was the first to say they were committed to the school when the previous coach was fired, was one of the players who didn't nearly screw the team out of an NCAA appearance by skipping curfew in Chicago, and has been nothing but a good team mate.

This is my point. I know in the corporate world being a good/nice guy gets you absolutely nothing. But these are kids who commit to a school out of high school and then stay committed through a coaching change. Leal has the ability to play a lot of places. He wants to play here. I don't want IU to turn into just another place where integrity doesn't matter. Where the next better thing is all we care about. Admittedly, I'm a little old school in my thinking. If this can be worked out in a mutually beneficial manner, then I'm OK with it. Otherwise, we're just another school that uses kids and throws them away.

[iuhoosierfan90]

I know there is a way for a scholarship athlete to reduce their scholarship and pay their own way,  It would require signing paperwork etc but 100% legit.  Now I don't know about adding in an academic scholarship if the player wasn't on an academic scholarship initially.  But it is not a bad thing to have "culture" players who love IU, work hard, have a sense of the community and if they're willing to do all of that work and play limited minutes it does give some players food for thought about attitude etc.  I would personally love to have one or two of those type of players on my team.  

[IU - Kaulie]

6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

True but still don’t like it, assuming Leal is ok with his position as 12-13th man.  Only going to play 8-10.  So you remove 12-13 guy, and if DD gets starter minutes, then another guy gets bumped out of rotation so in effect, 1 addition dramatically effects 2 guys unfairly IMO.  
 

idk. Make this move at the beginning like (Rob, Durr, Parker, Lander) and it looks so much better.  Optics matter.  
 

at this point, Leal, Kopp, Duncomb, any of the three will look crummy. 
 

is it too early to use Crean’s (he failed flunked out) excuse?  Lol. 
 

im all for talent acquisition but the PR spin on this one will be delicate and will stench may last a while to the fans. Hopefully not. I hope I’m overreacting. 

I don’t like it either.

Leal is a good kid and he doesn’t see himself as a 12-13th man.  He sees 3 more years here and wants to contribute and is going to put the time and work in and is committed to getting better.

I don’t want to see Leal go anywhere or Kopp either for that matter.

[IU - Kaulie]

6 hours ago, Chris007 said:

But can you deny it’s not a talent upgrade? A defensive player of the year your adding who shoots close to Kopp. Our defense gets better and so does our offense with everyone coming back. Plus it’s Kopp getting less minutes. I think we find a way for Leal to still be at IU.

How big of an upgrade is it?  Leal has 3 more years here and keeps getting better.  I thought he should have been playing a lot more this season at the expense of Parker.  I thought his play earned it and I think he finds a role going forward.

I know I keep saying it but I like someone that doesn’t see himself as a cheerleader and wants to play and is going to put in the work to keep getting better and contribute.

I’m not in favor of ‘pushing’ anyone out.  If that were to happen though I don’t want that to be Leal (or Kopp).

[HoosierInParadise]

I don't understand why this would be the "PR nightmare" some are making this out to be. Even if Leal was creaned and kicked off the team, the headlines would be about how our roster was further upgraded and solidified as a Big Ten contender. This would be about the same level of overreaction on media perception that there was when Dane Fife was let go.

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[triple]

1 hour ago, IU - Kaulie said:

How big of an upgrade is it? 

In my opinion Woody only gets one shot to compete with the big boys.  Even just one more year of being a mid-pack conference team will likely put a cap on his tenure at IU.  It's not just about the merits of one guy versus another.  He's got to show notable progress on the court to sustain his progress on the recruiting trail.  I hope this somehow works out well for all involved. But I think he would be crazy not to pursue a likely starter/contributor at a position of relative weakness for next season.  

[Hovadipo]

8 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

What I have advocated for is that once a player has played four years, the school IMO does not owe the player anything beyond that and that the ability to continue playing after that is not a given.  In terms of Leal being from Bloomington.....I think that is irrelevant and I couldn't care less. It's the potential of pushing someone out the door who was brought in, was the first to say they were committed to the school when the previous coach was fired, was one of the players who didn't nearly screw the team out of an NCAA appearance by skipping curfew in Chicago, and has been nothing but a good team mate.

He’s also not a Priller-level end of bench player. He’s brought serious value in B1G games a few times in his first couple years and that’s a lot more than you can say for a good chunk of 12-13th men. 

[HoosierInParadise]

In my opinion Woody only gets one shot to compete with the big boys.  Even just one more year of being a mid-pack conference team will likely put a cap on his tenure at IU.  It's not just about the merits of one guy versus another.  He's got to show notable progress on the court to sustain his progress on the recruiting trail.  I hope this somehow works out well for all involved. But I think he would be crazy not to pursue a likely starter/contributor at a position of relative weakness for next season.  

I agree.....can you imagine what posts we would see if we were to pass on a kid with some proven level of talent from another conference and Leal doesn't help in any way on the court? That type of move would typically have portions of this fanbase calling for the firing of the coach for mismanagement of the roster in the off-season. Why do some want to pass on talent when you know in 7 months you will be wishing we had it?

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[ib4iu]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

He’s also not a Priller-level end of bench player. He’s brought serious value in B1G games a few times in his first couple years and that’s a lot more than you can say for a good chunk of 12-13th men. 

Still can’t believe he was a 4 year scholarship player. That guy put in zero effort. Plus he stunk.

[hoosierbgh]

16 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I would say that’s a giant leap to think that is the case.

Previously, I would have agreed with you. Now, with the NIL, I don't think it is nearly as far fetched. I could easily see deals being worked out to exceed the value of his scholarship and current NIL deals. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is likely but it is much more so than the pre-NIL days. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I'm glad some of you are young enough to still have hairs to split.
BTW, can we not call not Dexter Dennis "DD"?  We haven't had a real good history of guys with those initials.

haha! When I read that post and saw DD, I first thought they were alluding to Dakich

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[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

haha! When I read that post and saw DD, I first thought they were alluding to Dakich

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Devin Davis, De'ron Davis, Dan Dakich......is there a DD who was went through our program who hasn't proven to be a pain in the @$$?

[JerryYeagley23]

4 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

True.....but it goes both ways. Now imagine pushing out the wholesome, hometown kid that has a few years of eligibility left and is not an embarrassment (on or off the court) to bring in a one year guy that doesn't excel? Dennis shoots 29% from 3 or gets in some off-court trouble and you look like a grade A jerk.  There is risk either way. I would tend to agree with you for a transformative talent or filling a huge need in your roster. Not sure Dennis is either. 

I know it was just part of your hypothetical argument, but it’s worth stating that Dennis is well known as a high character young man and consummate teammate. Believe he won a conference sportsmanship award or some kind of recognition. And generally, guys who win defensive player awards have a certain degree of selflessness to them to dedicate their focus and energy to doing the dirty work for their team in lieu of offensive stats. There’s risk involved in most personnel decisions, but in this case it’s minimal he wouldn’t have a positive impact on and off the court.  

[Stuhoo]

15 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

True.....but it goes both ways. Now imagine pushing out the wholesome, hometown kid that has a few years of eligibility left and is not an embarrassment (on or off the court) to bring in a one year guy that doesn't excel? Dennis shoots 29% from 3 or gets in some off-court trouble and you look like a grade A jerk.  There is risk either way. I would tend to agree with you for a transformative talent or filling a huge need in your roster. Not sure Dennis is either. 

Defense travels. When all else fails, Dexter Dennis will be a fantastic defender.

And he is a proven great teammate and asset to the community.

Anthony Leal is also a fantastic teammate.

Plenty of ways to have both players on the team.