2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[Hoosierfan2017]

23 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Sounds like it’s up to him. Same with McNeil. I honestly think Woodson is trying to get us to be the best we can even if we have to hurt some feelings.

The way it should be, imho. If Woody fails, the fact that he was nice and kept good ole Indiana boys like Leal (or whoever would be replaced) around won’t save him. Archie seemed to almost exclusively recruit Indiana kids and he got fired because he sucked. Build the best team you can so you can win as many games as you can. If you piss some people off in the process, oh well. 

[BGleas]

4 minutes ago, jk34 said:

While we're talking about player development, Race may have ranked in the top 3 or 4 on the team, in leading the break . lol 

Hey, make him a wing! 

Just having some fun guys :)

[Brass Cannon]

I think the main discussion is will be lose JG because there is no time at the 4 available and because he would have to play the 3 and there’s disagreement about whether he can do that. But another important factor is whether or not JG is willing to work on the things he needs to work on even if it means less playing time for a bit. Hes going to have to become a 3 to ever have a shot at the NBA.  Maybe he’s willing to take the hit and do the work. And won’t leave just because we bring in somebody more ready than him right now 

[lillurk]

I want IU to shoot better than it has since the Miller era started just like everyone. But one reason I’m less concerned about personnel is I have some confidence shooting can be developed

 

[HoosierHoopster]

2 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I want IU to shoot better than it has since the Miller era started just like everyone. But one reason I’m less concerned about personnel is I have some confidence shooting can be developed

 

Absolutely, watch a guy’s form, watch how he shoots FTs, watch his footwork and lift. I often go back to Vic bc of his massive improvement to his jr year of plus 40, on volume, from shooting in the 20s, and all the debates i had with guys who said he was not a shooter and never would be. The form was there, the work ethic was there, the footwork was there, but guys like to label people and fail to see the likely development. We have guys who can develop into strong shooters, i’d be surprised if Bates isn’t one of them. 

On top of that, really need to consider the other things guys bring, running out to grab a shooter at the risk of losing a guy like JG for examp to me would be just stupid. The guy kills the glass, blocks all over the place, defends nasty, has monster upside and already shows a good stroke on the trey.

Or consider a guy like Wat. There were actually people talking about how it would be good if he transferred his soph year, gave him silly labels for his D, called him soft. How’d that turn out? Thank God we didn’t have the portal then

[RaceToTheTop]

45 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think the main discussion is will be lose JG because there is no time at the 4 available and because he would have to play the 3 and there’s disagreement about whether he can do that. But another important factor is whether or not JG is willing to work on the things he needs to work on even if it means less playing time for a bit. Hes going to have to become a 3 to ever have a shot at the NBA.  Maybe he’s willing to take the hit and do the work. And won’t leave just because we bring in somebody more ready than him right now 

From what we've heard so far, that is what they have went to work on since the season ended.

In terms of Reneau coming in, that's really not real relevant IMO if TJD comes back......he'd still be behind Race and TJD, and last year being behind them only got him 13 minutes of court time per game.  Bottom line, he doesn't have to be the starting 3 to get more time on the court.....getting even 10 minutes/game at the 3 increases his court time. 

Just my opinion, but if someone like McNeil were to commit to IU and IU wanted to 'show someone the door', it should be Kopp.  We've seen him log 900 minutes with us.  It's a pretty low ceiling.  And regardless of Leal being nothing more than bench fodder next year, have to remember that when Archie Miller was fired, the two guys that immediately stated they were not leaving were Leal and Galloway.  If you are looking to build a culture, loyalty is certainly pretty big.

[str8baller]

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

I would be interested in your analysis that makes you think JG is a good perimeter defender?

I've had this conversation several times with @btownqb and we can both speak on exactly where he struggles and why he isn't as of now. 

It really depends on what you’re looking at. To me he’s perfectly serviceable as a perimeter defender on the ball, with the potential to be really good. 
 

He gets lost off the ball more than any player on the team, and is the main reason he didn’t play more. 

[HoosierHoops1]

14 hours ago, IU Scott said:

Can't have 14 scholarship players

Last year you could. Indiana could have had 15, if Al and Joey has taken their Covid year here.

[Five Prime]

Indiana was a better basketball team with JG on the floor last year.  Call him whatever you want but he needs to be on the floor more next year. 

[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, str8baller said:

It really depends on what you’re looking at. To me he’s perfectly serviceable as a perimeter defender on the ball, with the potential to be really good. 
 

He gets lost off the ball more than any player on the team, and is the main reason he didn’t play more. 

And last year we had just a serviceable defender playing the 3 and a really weak defender at shooting guard starting.....and we had a top 25 defense.  

The truth is that if you can't find a way to get JG on the floor more than 13 minutes per game last year, he should leave.....because he's better than that.  And he'll show exactly that somewhere else.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, lillurk said:

I want IU to shoot better than it has since the Miller era started just like everyone. But one reason I’m less concerned about personnel is I have some confidence shooting can be developed

 

And it can be rediscovered.  Tamar Bates is a really good shooter, despite his freshman season.

[IU - Kaulie]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

It really depends on what you’re looking at. To me he’s perfectly serviceable as a perimeter defender on the ball, with the potential to be really good. 
 

He gets lost off the ball more than any player on the team, and is the main reason he didn’t play more. 

 

58 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

And last year we had just a serviceable defender playing the 3 and a really weak defender at shooting guard starting.....and we had a top 25 defense.  

The truth is that if you can't find a way to get JG on the floor more than 13 minutes per game last year, he should leave.....because he's better than that.  And he'll show exactly that somewhere else.

100% agree with str8.  

JG gets absolutely lost too many times defending on the perimeter.  I said as much earlier in the season on here when he wasn’t playing much and got roasted for it and pretty much called a JG hater.  Their was a reason he wasn’t playing much.  

Kopp is by far a better team defender.  He gets a lot of deflections and knows where he is supposed to be and if you have been to a game he is always talking. He will get beat some by superior athletes but I can live with that.  We were a very good defensive team last year with Kopp playing a lot of minutes.  JG has the potential to lock his man up one on one but off the ball he struggles.

I don’t want to see JG at the 3.  Offensively he doesn’t have the handle and on the defensive end is where the problem really is especially off ball and as a help defender.  He needs to stay at the 4 where he is better suited.  I loved how he played at the end of the season but he is not a starter on this team.

For me it’s pretty clear cut and really no question.

1 - X

2 - JHS

3 - Kopp

4 - Race

5 - TJD

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Five Prime said:

Indiana was a better basketball team with JG on the floor last year.  Call him whatever you want but he needs to be on the floor more next year. 

Bingo

[RaceToTheTop]

If JG was 'beaten so much on the perimeter', then it makes zero sense that when he was on the court our defense was 5.6 points per 100 possession better than he when he was off.

....and that was the highest rate of ANY player on our team.

With Kopp on the floor, meanwhile, IU was 6.4 points WORSE per 100 possessions on defense than when he was off the floor.

[HoosierHoopster]

39 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If JG was 'beaten so much on the perimeter', then it makes zero sense that when he was on the court our defense was 5.6 points per 100 possession better than he when he was off.

....and that was the highest rate of ANY player on our team.

With Kopp on the floor, meanwhile, IU was 6.4 points WORSE per 100 possessions on defense than when he was off the floor.

It’s just so bizarre and surprising to me to sit here and read people criticizing his D and actually favoring Kopp, it’s so plainly off. Those numbers, clear as they are, will probably just get dismissively disregarded. Kopp is just not a good defender. He does play positional team D, he does give good effort, his reads are good, but he doesn’t have any quickness, laterally he’s poor, has no length, can’t elevate against the 3, can’t stay with a slashing guard / wing, all those things were plainly obvious all year, while he scored at 10th on the team but some still advocate starting him, amazing

[str8baller]

5 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

It’s just so bizarre and surprising to me to sit here and read people criticizing his D and actually favoring Kopp, it’s so plainly off. Those numbers, clear as they are, will probably just get dismissively disregarded. Kopp is just not a good defender. He does play positional team D, he does give good effort, his reads are good, but he doesn’t have any quickness, laterally he’s poor, has no length, can’t elevate against the 3, can’t stay with a slashing guard / wing, all those things were plainly obvious all year, while he scored at 10th on the team but some still advocate starting him, amazing

To be clear, I was saying I think JG is not a bad perimeter defender. I think he gets lost a little off the ball and that’s why Woody didn’t play him as much as many would like. Without knowing the gameplan and what coach expects that really is just speculation on my part.  
 

He obviously got better and played more towards the end of the season. I would think with his increased offensive output and continual improvement on the other end, he’ll be awful hard to keep off the floor next year. 
 

Stewart and Kopp simply have trouble with athleticism at the B1G level. They both compete, tho. We were starved for offense last year so they had to be on the floor a bunch for at least the threat of hitting outside shots and spacing. If guys like Race and JG can maintain their improvement with their outside shot, they will make it much harder for Kopp to see the floor as much as he did last year. 

[Honkyman]

As a late comer to basketball, Geronimo is still learning the game. He more than makes up for mistakes with his talent. He will probably play some at the 3, but at present he is better at the 4.

[Bowhunter]

Xavier-Schifino 

Schifno-Gun-Galloway 

Bates-Kopp-Banks

Reneau -Geronimo- Race (interchangeable but Race will probably start early on season)

TJD-Race-Dunc

 

Bates can shoot and will continue to get better

 

 

[HoosierFan1994]

12 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Sounds like it’s up to him. Same with McNeil. I honestly think Woodson is trying to get us to be the best we can even if we have to hurt some feelings.

I am all for this. If Indiana wins..nobody is going to remember/care. I'm not the biggest fan of this, but if they feel McNeil or Dennis would be an upgrade...so be it. 

[ib4iu]

8 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If JG was 'beaten so much on the perimeter', then it makes zero sense that when he was on the court our defense was 5.6 points per 100 possession better than he when he was off.

....and that was the highest rate of ANY player on our team.

With Kopp on the floor, meanwhile, IU was 6.4 points WORSE per 100 possessions on defense than when he was off the floor.

I don’t believe JG’s numbers would closely resemble this if his minutes were 75% of the time at the 3. This is the argument being made. JG is not ready, offensively or defensively to play on the wing. Defensively his best skill was help defender in the paint. He was able to come off his man for a lot of blocks and being in the paint aided his elite rebounding. This is all lost if he plays the wing. I will agree with you that JG as a defender at the 4 is a better defender than Kopp at the 3. But I think it becomes a lot closer than you might want to admit if JG is defending the 3.