Player decisions

[iu eyedoc]

1 hour ago, Dalton26 said:

They levels of reaching you just did to try to prove your point is really pathetic and flat out dishonest. 

 

Some of us have always stood firm that if someone wants to be here then they’re welcome and if they don’t then there’s the door. Don’t try to warp posts to fit your BS narrative.   
 

 

You seem upset.

[HoosierHoopster]

51 minutes ago, Southside said:

I agree on position-less ball, but only to an extent. I think the 2 and 3 will be sorta interchangeable. I think the 5 will still be pretty separate/distinct in the 41. We have 3 guys IMO that can run the point, but only one of those are really wing candidates. I don't really know what to expect from the 4 though.

Funny thing to me, the 2 and 3 really are the same position and should be interchangeable, just different sides of the floor (NBA). I agree with where you're coming from, it's just that we tend to look at guards and wings when it's sort of like having a point and two "wings" or 2 on-ball guards and a 'wing' (lol). I think (aggressive) Rob can play well off-ball and can man that 'wing' spot, hope to see him shoot more and with confidence, his outside shot can be strong when his head is in the game. (I'm kind of betting that the confidence - head issues were coming from CAM's style of coaching and we'll see a lot of improvement there under Woodson.) Would think Race and Hunter will run at the 4, but we haven't really had a baseline - running type 4 (e.g., Troy). I would like to see more of Galloway inside, he's around 6'4 or whatever but he's an excellent finisher, quick and strong 'downhill' and around the rim and would bet on him having a good soph jump. 

[go iu bb]

3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Funny thing to me, the 2 and 3 really are the same position and should be interchangeable, just different sides of the floor (NBA). I agree with where you're coming from, it's just that we tend to look at guards and wings when it's sort of like having a point and two "wings" or 2 on-ball guards and a 'wing' (lol). I think (aggressive) Rob can play well off-ball and can man that 'wing' spot, hope to see him shoot more and with confidence, his outside shot can be strong when his head is in the game. (I'm kind of betting that the confidence - head issues were coming from CAM's style of coaching and we'll see a lot of improvement there under Woodson.) Would think Race and Hunter will run at the 4, but we haven't really had a baseline - running type 4 (e.g., Troy). I would like to see more of Galloway inside, he's around 6'4 or whatever but he's an excellent finisher, quick and strong 'downhill' and around the rim and would bet on him having a good soph jump. 

I thought going in to last season that while Phinisee's shooting percentage wasn't great, he did do well when he was able to setup and then catch the ball ready to shoot. This didn't happen very often his first 2 seasons but he was able to do that last season early on. That stopped happening, probably around the time conference season started. Part of it was just the offense falling apart as the season went on but it also seemed like he wasn't trying to find those kind of shots anymore. I hope in Woodson's offense he'll be able to do that because he's a much better spot up shooter than an off the dribble shooter.

[Southside]

9 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Funny thing to me, the 2 and 3 really are the same position and should be interchangeable, just different sides of the floor (NBA). I agree with where you're coming from, it's just that we tend to look at guards and wings when it's sort of like having a point and two "wings" or 2 on-ball guards and a 'wing' (lol). I think (aggressive) Rob can play well off-ball and can man that 'wing' spot, hope to see him shoot more and with confidence, his outside shot can be strong when his head is in the game. (I'm kind of betting that the confidence - head issues were coming from CAM's style of coaching and we'll see a lot of improvement there under Woodson.) Would think Race and Hunter will run at the 4, but we haven't really had a baseline - running type 4 (e.g., Troy). I would like to see more of Galloway inside, he's around 6'4 or whatever but he's an excellent finisher, quick and strong 'downhill' and around the rim and would bet on him having a good soph jump. 

I'm just hoping Phin or Lander steps up at the point. I don't see either playing much wing though. I think Johnson will be a good wing that can also handle the ball if needed, and Stewart as a good wing with size (and also a decent handle). Yup, Race and Hunter at the 4. Also hoping Leal and Galloway develop too at the wing. Both have decent size but are different players. Love Galloway's effort, but he sorta looks out of control at times lol. Both should get good minutes. Really really hope Leal turns into a sniper.

[Bowhunter]

I change my mind. I think Lander will start at point guard. Xavier on wing Stewart on the other wing.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

20 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I change my mind. I think Lander will start at point guard. Xavier on wing Stewart on the other wing.


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I could see this

[RaceToTheTop]

4 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I don't know about that. He averaged 5.72 assists last year. AVERAGED that on a Pitt team that went 10-12. I think you want the ball in his hands- dishing, taking it to the rim or shooting (in that order.) Maybe IU runs 2 point guards or something, but Lander would have to make an enormous leap to play anything besides PG and needs to get better even to play much at point. Rob is capable, but something is missing there, confidence, health? I don't know, but he is only a PG in my mind too. Not skilled or big enough to do anything else. 

Long story short, I expect Johnson to be the starting PG for IU with Rob & Lander fighting for back-up mins. If any two of them are on the floor at the same time IU isn't gonna be as effective offensively, IMO.  

"Player Decision " edit: I am a little surprised Rob hasn't explored leaving, not that I want him to. 

I could see Johnson playing the point on offense and Rob moving over to the 2 guard on offense if he can regain his shot...and then defensively it switching with Rob guarding the point and Johnson guarding the 2 guard.

[Southside]

14 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I don't know about that. He averaged 5.72 assists last year. AVERAGED that on a Pitt team that went 10-12. I think you want the ball in his hands- dishing, taking it to the rim or shooting (in that order.) Maybe IU runs 2 point guards or something, but Lander would have to make an enormous leap to play anything besides PG and needs to get better even to play much at point. Rob is capable, but something is missing there, confidence, health? I don't know, but he is only a PG in my mind too. Not skilled or big enough to do anything else. 

Long story short, I expect Johnson to be the starting PG for IU with Rob & Lander fighting for back-up mins. If any two of them are on the floor at the same time IU isn't gonna be as effective offensively, IMO.  

"Player Decision " edit: I am a little surprised Rob hasn't explored leaving, not that I want him to. 

Like I said earlier, I think XJ can handle the point if Phin or Lander can't step up. 

the problem is though, if XJ is at point, we'll have a newbie at one of the wings. XJ played pretty good as a 2 his freshman year. His numbers went a bit down when he moved to point. His assist rate is nice though. I just think Lander and Phin are options 1 and 2 and point (in either order). And sounds like the coaches want to make it work with Phin. And you have to think they talked Lander up too given his return. XJ will be a good wing that can also run the ball if needed. I do think Woodson wants 2 guys with a good handle on the floor at the same time. And I think having one of Lander/Phin + XJ gives them strong penetration ability. Doesn't matter to me if that's to the rim, or dishing, or shooting. It's just nice to have 2 guys that run the ball and not being limited to one guy. It would open up the 41 nicely IMO.

It'll be interesting, and I can see several possibilities. My gut at this time says Phin/Lander+XJ+Stewart+Race+TJD.

[Chris007]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

I don't know about that. He averaged 5.72 assists last year. AVERAGED that on a Pitt team that went 10-12. I think you want the ball in his hands- dishing, taking it to the rim or shooting (in that order.) Maybe IU runs 2 point guards or something, but Lander would have to make an enormous leap to play anything besides PG and needs to get better even to play much at point. Rob is capable, but something is missing there, confidence, health? I don't know, but he is only a PG in my mind too. Not skilled or big enough to do anything else. 

Long story short, I expect Johnson to be the starting PG for IU with Rob & Lander fighting for back-up mins. If any two of them are on the floor at the same time IU isn't gonna be as effective offensively, IMO.  

"Player Decision " edit: I am a little surprised Rob hasn't explored leaving, not that I want him to. 

Coach Hunter said today that CMW likes for different people to bring the ball up the floor on each possession. So I can see Rob, KL, XJ, and Parker all bringing it up at different times. 

[HoosierTrav]

11 hours ago, ColtsIU-ND said:

I think a healthy, engaged Hunter plays a big role this year. 

For some reason I really root for the kid.

Same. I see a very high ceiling for him. 

[Josh]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I could see Johnson playing the point on offense and Rob moving over to the 2 guard on offense if he can regain his shot...and then defensively it switching with Rob guarding the point and Johnson guarding the 2 guard.

This.  Rob makes awful decisions with the ball.  I'd rather just see him as a spot up shooter on offense at the 2.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

This.  Rob makes awful decisions with the ball.  I'd rather just see him as a spot up shooter on offense at the 2.

Rob played liked a confused player stuck in slow motion on offense. I hope that’s Archie’s fault. Defense was always strong for his size. He also seemed terrible in the fast break. Not sure that’s Archies fault.


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[Geometry Hoosier]

Did anyone else hear Coach Hunter say that Parker Stewart was 20 for 21 on 3’s during a shoot around? That was music to my ears.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Did anyone else hear Coach Hunter say that Parker Stewart was 20 for 21 on 3’s during a shoot around? That was music to my ears.


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Does sound nice but my 14 yo son hit 11 in a row last night after practice and he wasn’t even a starter on his 8th grade team. Ha.


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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Does sound nice but my 14 yo son hit 11 in a row last night after practice and he wasn’t even a starter on his 8th grade team. Ha.


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I once watched Jermaine O’Neal hit something like 30 in a row of those fifteen footers he loved so much.  Didn’t help him come gametime. 

[bleedhoosier]

I watched Lance Stemler hit 19 in a row in pre game warm-ups like it was nothing. Then missed one and hit like 15 more. 

[beaver56]

This guy wasn't good enough for IU..SMDH!

 

[Josh]

33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Rob played liked a confused player stuck in slow motion on offense. I hope that’s Archie’s fault. Defense was always strong for his size. He also seemed terrible in the fast break. Not sure that’s Archies fault.


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Every game Rob would dribble with his head down and then pick up his dribble with no idea where the ball would go next.  He dribbled himself into trouble constantly.  Is that on Archie?  That just seems like basketball iq to me.  I know Archie should have coached him out of it, but he should have never put himself in those positions at this stage of basketball either.  Just a really ugly marriage of low iq player and low iq coach.  Maybe Woodson can coach him out of it, but I'm not confident of that really.

[goonaha]

8 minutes ago, beaver56 said:

This guy wasn't good enough for IU..SMDH!

 

The entire Big Ten decided not to offer him.

[beaver56]

2 minutes ago, goonaha said:

The entire Big Ten decided not to offer him.

I get it. Watched him a ton in high school and he completely had the "it" factor.