Player decisions

[incrediboy]

8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Our back court wasn't a strength last season.  We lost our two most productive players/shooters from that back court while adding Xavier Johnson and Parker Stewart and keeping the others that were less productive in that not-so-great back court from last season.  Hopefully, it's a net positive, by a lot, but I would have preferred to keep Franklin while adding those other two.  Our ceiling would have been much higher.

Running an offense that the other team doesn't know better than our guys do might be one big positive regardless of the personnel on the floor.

[tomallenfan1]

Totally fine with him choosing what’s best for him. But the once a hoosier always a hoosier thing? Nah. He chose to leave here so that nullifies it

I will settle for being in the minority and agree to disagree.

I think we all consider Mo Creek a Hoosier to this day. He transferred too and did what he believed what was best for him. It does not nullify the time spent in the uniform or with his teammates or positive impact he had on the community while here.

I don’t get the negative view of transfers overall though. Students transfer all of the time. Sometimes it’s just not the right fit. Again, doesn’t nullify the time spent at the university/classes taken/friends met. I have lifelong friends I met at IU who transferred from other schools. They still root for those schools and consider themselves “Buckeyes/Flyers/Jaguars/Seminoles/etc”... along with being a Hoosier. It’s not exclusive.

But I digress. My opinion. Don’t have to agree!

[coonhounds]

I may be in the minority on this one but I’ve never been a once a Hoosier always a Hoosier when it comes to people leaving. If anyone doesn’t want to be here then ****’em and we’ll find someone who does. 
 
I don’t wish anything bad on anyone that leaves but I won’t spend a second caring about how they do either.

Yea once a hoosier always a hoosier would make Lawrence funderburke a hoosier and he most certainly is not a hoosier in my book lol

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[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

I wish the kid the best but I truly wonder what the deciding factor was for Franklin. I felt like there was so many positives going for him to return.

- Archie and his inept offense is gone

- His friends were all returning

- Coach Woodson is going to run a NBA style, up tempo offense. 

What in the world didn't he like? Was he loyal to Archie? 

 

 

 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

I wish the kid the best but I truly wonder what the deciding factor was for Franklin. I felt like there was so many positive

- Archie and his inept offense is gone

- His friends were all returning

- Coach Woodson is going to run a NBA style, up tempo offense. 

What in the world didn't he like? Was he loyal to Archie? 

 

 

 

My guess he lost his starting spot 

[FrenchConnection]

Just now, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

I wish the kid the best but I truly wonder what the deciding factor was for Franklin. I felt like there was so many positive

- Archie and his inept offense is gone

- His friends were all returning

- Coach Woodson is going to run a NBA style, up tempo offense. 

What in the world didn't he like? Was he loyal to Archie? 

 

 

 

With the additions of Stewart and Johnson and the maturation of Lander he would have to earn playing time? The “tough love” approach from Woody that we heard about being the deciding factor in TJD and Lander returning might not have worked on Armaan or his mom?

[HoosierAloha]

2 minutes ago, incrediboy said:

Running an offense that the other team doesn't know better than our guys do might be one big positive regardless of the personnel on the floor.

That definitely helps but even in that offense those players managed to miss wide open looks at a good clip.  I'm sure it's 100% mental an they'll all be over 40% next season.  If we want to compete at the top of the Big 1.0 we'll need depth at the guard position with like Armaan and Durham coming off the bench.  I like what Xavier Johnson brings to the team and think Parker Stewart will play a big role.  HOPEFULLY, Lander and Phinisee see an increase in percentage and production to give us solid depth. 

[HinnyHoosier]

I wish the kid the best but I truly wonder what the deciding factor was for Franklin. I felt like there was so many positive
- Archie and his inept offense is gone
- His friends were all returning
- Coach Woodson is going to run a NBA style, up tempo offense. 
What in the world didn't he like? Was he loyal to Archie? 
 
 
 

Crowding in the backcourt.
Didn’t buy into Woody like the other have.
Mom.


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[HoosierAloha]

5 minutes ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

I wish the kid the best but I truly wonder what the deciding factor was for Franklin. I felt like there was so many positive

- Archie and his inept offense is gone

- His friends were all returning

- Coach Woodson is going to run a NBA style, up tempo offense. 

What in the world didn't he like? Was he loyal to Archie? 

 

 

 

Maybe sold on the development of players at UVa under a proven coach?  Or the players that chose to be Hoosiers are all better and he knew that he would only get a few minutes per game because we upgraded the guards so much.

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Maybe sold on the development of players at UVa under a proven coach?  Or the players that chose to be Hoosiers are all better and he knew that he would only get a few minutes per game because we upgraded the guards so much.

The proven coach part is something I thought of as well. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. 

[Golfman25]

19 minutes ago, tomallenfan1 said:

I will settle for being in the minority and agree to disagree.

I think we all consider Mo Creek a Hoosier to this day. He transferred too and did what he believed what was best for him. It does not nullify the time spent in the uniform or with his teammates or positive impact he had on the community while here.

I don’t get the negative view of transfers overall though. Students transfer all of the time. Sometimes it’s just not the right fit. Again, doesn’t nullify the time spent at the university/classes taken/friends met. I have lifelong friends I met at IU who transferred from other schools. They still root for those schools and consider themselves “Buckeyes/Flyers/Jaguars/Seminoles/etc”... along with being a Hoosier. It’s not exclusive.

But I digress. My opinion. Don’t have to agree!

I think it depends on the circumstances of the transfer.  Mo was delt a crappy deck of cards by the big man upstairs.  He put in his time at IU, but the team passed him by and found a little success as transfer.  Al got his degree, so he met his obligation.  Actually, Justin Smith did to, I think.  If Armaan can't make Mike Woodson and his former teamates work for him, then good riddence.  

[ray]

I could be completely wrong, but I think Franklin left because he had decided to before the last seconds on the clock ticked away to officially end the season. Watch his face when the crowd begins to boo the players off the floor. He played injured and worked hard, and I’m sure being booed off the floor is not what he signed up for at IU. And, with knowing other players experienced the same thing and still want to return and play with pride as a Hoosier, it tells me he’s not as open to criticism as others might be (constructive or not). And, it seems Woodson is a straight shooter and tells it like it is (see TJD, Lander, and Johnson quotes).

I loved Franklin and his trajectory seemed exciting to say the least. I’m disappointed he left because I won’t care or know what happens to him now, but his departure makes me appreciate the others who want to prove something for themselves and for the program that much more. Guys like Brunk, Hunter, Rob, Leal, TJD, and Galloway should be remembered. They never intended to leave Indiana (Loyalty).  

 

[hoosierdogg]

36 minutes ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

The proven coach part is something I thought of as well. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. 

Just read that UVA still has four and possibly five open scholarships if Tre Murphy heads to the NBA, after the Franklin commitment.  Things could get a bit crowded for AF in Charlottesville.

[go iu bb]

35 minutes ago, ray said:

I could be completely wrong, but I think Franklin left because he had decided to before the last seconds on the clock ticked away to officially end the season. Watch his face when the crowd begins to boo the players off the floor. He played injured and worked hard, and I’m sure being booed off the floor is not what he signed up for at IU. And, with knowing other players experienced the same thing and still want to return and play with pride as a Hoosier, it tells me he’s not as open to criticism as others might be (constructive or not). And, it seems Woodson is a straight shooter and tells it like it is (see TJD, Lander, and Johnson quotes).

I loved Franklin and his trajectory seemed exciting to say the least. I’m disappointed he left because I won’t care or know what happens to him now, but his departure makes me appreciate the others who want to prove something for themselves and for the program that much more. Guys like Rob, Leal, TJD, and Galloway should be remembered too. They never intended to leave Indiana.

 

You might be in to something about him not liking criticism. The Daily Hoosier had a story about his development over the summer. In it, someone, I think his brother, said how sometimes Franklin would get very upset and yell then hang up the phone because he didn't like what he was being told. It sounded like he still took the criticism and used it to improve but definitely didn't like hearing it.

[ebridges24]

So, did Race say he's coming back.

[Hoosierfan1901]

Just now, ebridges24 said:

So, did Race say he's coming back.

Yes

[ebridges24]

1 minute ago, Hooserfan1901 said:

Yes

NICE! ty

[FrenchConnection]

2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

You might be in to something about him not liking criticism. The Daily Hoosier had a story about his despondent over the summer. In it someone, I think his brother, said how sometimes Franklin would get very upset and yell then hang up the phone because he didn't like what he was being told. It sounded like he still took the criticism and used it to improve butt definitely didn't like hearing it.

Not everyone could play for RMK. Not everyone can play for Izzo either. To play for Woody, you’re going to have to take honest criticism and use it as motivation. In the future, kids that come to IU will know this going in. 

[DChoosier]

3 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Aren't those matchups determined by the conference standings from the previous year?

No, not even close. The match-ups are determined by games that  ESPN thinks will sell. We have been mediocre the past 6 years and have played FSU twice (when they were ranked 17th and 20th), Duke three times (ranked 7th, 3rd, 1st) and UNC (ranked 13th).  

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

30 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

No, not even close. The match-ups are determined by games that  ESPN thinks will sell. We have been mediocre the past 6 years and have played FSU twice (when they were ranked 17th and 20th), Duke three times (ranked 7th, 3rd, 1st) and UNC (ranked 13th).  

I bet they pit the Hoosiers against UNC next year. Two first year coaches.