General Coach Candidate News

[Demo]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I get it. They were missing something like five of their top seven players for SEC play. He’s been fantastic every other year, including this year in a super tough SEC.

The guy is whip smart, a great recruiter with sh!t NIL, develops players, and he’s done plenty of winning.He’s got the number 15 team in the country and halfway through conference play he’s ahead of Tennessee, Ole Miss/Beard and UK among others. His teams defend like dogs, run modern offense, and his players would run through a wall for him. And he’s 45 and clean as a whistle.

curious what @Uspshoosier thinks of him and McCasland; the postman knows the whole country like none other.

1 other thing about Gates. During that entire debacle last year that guy stood in front of everybody and took every bullet. He was a man. Temperamentally, he’s the goods. 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

29 minutes ago, str8baller said:

1) Assuming he’s hired this year: begin and end his successful career at IU without incident.  
 

in the alternative: 

2) Spend another 5 years or so where he is at meaningfully rehabilitating himself and again, have zero incidents.  
 

Absent that he’s always going to be seen by some, myself included, as a ticking time bomb waiting to embarrass and/or destroy the program.   
 

You and others are, of course, free to embrace him immediately and wholeheartedly. 

Just to be clear. I do not embrace him immediately and wholeheartedly. As things stand today, I don’t want Indiana to hire him.

The point of the exercise is to understand what it would take for people to be okay with Indiana hiring him.

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Demo said:

1 other thing about Gates. During that entire debacle last year that guy stood in front of everybody and took every bullet. He was a man. Temperamentally, he’s the goods. 

Damn straight.

Demo; you’re in Missouri and some posters may not be aware; you have a cut above hoops analysis resume compared to pretty much anyone on the board.

What’s the scoop on Gates?

[BleedCubbieBlue]

18 minutes ago, Demo said:

Accept him? I’ll accept him if he’s hired because as I said above I’m willing to trust the due diligence of the staff. But here’s the thing: the particulars are different, but there are similarities to the Sampson hire. If you’re Dolson and bring in a guy with a known history and you do it by standing in front of him he can’t ever F up. Not once. Sampson came with the same deal, you can’t F up, and it took him 18 months. But, yeah, if they hire him I’ll root for the program and if he has an issue I’ll say Dolson should be fired because it was completely foreseeable. And I’ll hope it never happens. 

That is a good point and a fair position.

[Mopladysman]

11 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I feel like it’ll be Dusty. Not a guarantee but good reason for hope


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What’s the good reason if you would share?

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

curious what @Uspshoosier thinks of him and McCasland; the postman knows the whole country like none other.

People won’t be able to get past the winless conference thing but Gates can coach. He would be fine if he were to be hired.  Big time recruiter that kids today will line up to play for.  Anything that could go wrong last year for him went wrong.   Doubt he will be the choice but he will keep grinding and moving up the coaching in a couple years.   Was an assistant under Hamilton 
 

McCasland is a a great choice as well and will probably actually be on IUs short list.   Problem with him is he is a Texas guy through and through with no Midwest connections.   He has shown the ability to adapt to his players.  N Texas teams played at a very slow pace which I expected him to do at Texas Tech however his offense this year is explosive.  If you haven’t watched them play I suggest you do.   If he is the choice he will succeed.   Was an assistant under Drew at Baylor 

 

I’ve had a lot of concerns about IU in the past 4 years about its coaching and recruiting high school kids however moving forward I’m not concerned about them at all since I know Scott will do his homework and hire a grinder that will put his heart and soul into the job.   Old Fart fire up them recruiting threads again because next year you will be busy again following hs recruiting. 

[AZ Hoosier]

2 hours ago, Ryno6284 said:

Give me Beard every day all day!  RMK guy and is a college grinder!  And a WINNER!

Not interested... too much baggage of a serious nature

[Uspshoosier]

And if Scott wants to go with an old transitional coach to bridge the gap then he just needs to go ahead and hire the vampire.   Rick in his 70s is still an elite coach in college basketball.   Crazy to watch him coach.  

[TadQueasy]

As another Hoosier that lives in Mizzou land, I can also vouch for the fact that Gates is a very impressive coach.  I like a lot of things he has done at Mizzou.  And I think in another cycle he would be a solid hire.  But with where Indiana is currently at, I think it would be a disappointment to come out of this deal with Gates. 

[AZ Hoosier]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Not sure why he thought the IU job would open.  Portal was kind to IU and they were ranked to start the year.

He saw what Woodson had done in his first 3 years and heard the same "Woodson gets 4 because Archie got 4" drivel ... and the portal haul was just getting fired up when Dusty signed with Michigan...

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Just to be clear. I do not embrace him immediately and wholeheartedly. As things stand today, I don’t want Indiana to hire him.

The point of the exercise is to understand what it would take for people to be okay with Indiana hiring him.

Some will. Some won’t. You can see my further thoughts on the matter in the fire woody thread but for all intents and purposes they are similar enough to what Demo just laid out that you’ll get the idea by just referencing those. 
 

IU’s basketball culture is in the toilet. It needs rebuilt from the ground up. If Beard comes and establishes a culture, from the coach down through the players, of accountability, hard work, and wining it will go a long way towards unifying everyone. But with a guy like Beard it’ll take a while for a lot of people to believe that he can build something that can’t immediately be flushed down the toilet with one mistake. 

[OKHOOSIER]

I like McCasland a lot but is he realistic? Guy is a Texas lifer, with short stints elsewhere close to the Red River. My experience with Texans, is that they love Texas and never want to leave Texas lol. Plus I would not be shocked if UT opens again, and I gotta think he'd number 1 short of Drew leaving Baylor and Grant going home to Baylor. 

[JaybobHoosier]

2 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

As another Hoosier that lives in Mizzou land, I can also vouch for the fact that Gates is a very impressive coach.  I like a lot of things he has done at Mizzou.  And I think in another cycle he would be a solid hire.  But with where Indiana is currently at, I think it would be a disappointment to come out of this deal with Gates. 

I don’t watch much Mizzou basketball, but live just SW of St. Louis. Always nice seeing fellow Missourians on here. 

[AZ Hoosier]

2 hours ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

I am not trying to start a war here but I would like to know what it would take for everyone who doesn’t want Beard to change their mind (I am also in this camp)?

Would a Ray Rice type of mea culpa do it or is he persona non grata no matter what?

Mods can delete this if they think it is inappropriate. It is just something I have been thinking through and I wanted to solicit the RESPECTFUL opinions of others.

Go back in time and not beat up a woman. That one event alone makes me a solid NO for all of eternity.

We've all done things in life that we regret, but there's no excuse for putting your hands on a woman in that manner... walk away, call a friend for help... but the path that he "allegedly" took is completely unacceptable to me. Full stop.

[TadQueasy]

1 minute ago, JaybobHoosier said:

I don’t watch much Mizzou basketball, but live just SW of St. Louis. Always nice seeing fellow Missourians on here. 

Agreed.  I live in the South central part of the state.  On the fringe of the Springfield area.  

[Rico]

20 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I feel like it’ll be Dusty. Not a guarantee but good reason for hope


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[JaybobHoosier]

1 minute ago, TadQueasy said:

Agreed.  I live in the South central part of the state.  On the fringe of the Springfield area.  

Nice! I live around the Six Flags area. Love it, just wish the Cardinals were better…… 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

I get it. But still i like the other options a lot more. 

[TadQueasy]

2 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

Nice! I live around the Six Flags area. Love it, just wish the Cardinals were better…… 

As a lifelong Cubs fan I am just fine with where the Cardinals currently sit. :) 

[coonhounds]

I feel like it’ll be Dusty. Not a guarantee but good reason for hope


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Very interesting. I feel like he is one of the least likely for obvious reasons. I will definitely get behind him and it will get my hopes up! Just think he is leas likely than even Steven's lol see what i did there?

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