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10 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Oh great IU could (potentially) also be competing with pUKe (potentially) for a new coach....potentially

Kentucky basketball: 10 potential replacements for John Calipari (fansided.com)

Apparently Big Blew Nation isn't as genteel and patient as the Hoosier faithful.

Interesting list. The one that threw me a bit was Brad Brownell. He's from Indiana and played alongside Calbert at Evansville Harrison, so props to him for that (LOL) -- but I don't think he's really distinguished himself at Clemson. At least not enough to be considered a No. 4 candidate for the Kentucky gig (if they did it in order of preference). 

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Man, I was out of town all weekend and just saw this post.  I took time and read all 19 pages.  Some good insight on here so far.  Unfortunately this is a topic that has reared its ugly head again.  I was hoping that we wouldn't have to see this again any time soon but here we are.  Given the state of our program, I am OK with sending CAM to his next gig where ever that may be.  So how did we get here?

  • I'll agree in opinion that CAM doesn't connect with his players.
    • These players have absolutely no confidence.
    • We have lost some major recruiting momentum.
      • Let's be honest, players have a play in this too.
    • Is it me or does TJD have negative body language in regards to the players and coaches?
      • He is putting up good numbers but it seems like he picks and chooses when he wants that to happen.
  • There is no product in Indiana Basketball right now.
    • Marquee wins?  Highlights?  Attractiveness?  NCAA bids?  Hell, NIT wins?
    • If you consider sweeping MSU, then great, nothing much more than that to hang a hat on.
    • Speculation that we would have made the tournament last year?
    • The only reason I keep watching is because I have been loyal for 4 decades.
  • Future is looking bleak
    • Archie has some good young players on his team that need a leader and a system.
    • I love Galloway, Leal, and Franklin.  Unfortunately, those three alone are not giving you a tournament run.
    • Lander and Hunter are wild cards at this point.  Lander needs to grow up fast and Hunter needs to play his true position.
    • I see nothing in the pipeline that gives us hope.
  • False Hope
    • Just wait until we get Kaufman and Mohamed. Whif!
    • If we would have just hit a few more free throws we would have won.
    • If we would have hit half of our 3 point attempts we would have won.
    • Just wait until we get Langford then watch out.
    • I can't wait until everyone is healthy again.

From a money, timing, proven, possibly hungry to get back in the game standpoint, bring on Thad Matta! 

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One thing about Matta -- the last I saw, Wichita State had him on their radar for next season. But if we're looking for a coach after next season (barring a winless finish or some other disaster, I think Archie gets at least another year) and Matta has taken the WSU job, I would think even though it might not be the greatest of optics, if we wanted him, he'd come -- even after one season. Who remembers that Huggy Bear bolted Kansas State after a season?

All that said, I'm not fully on the "Fire Archie" bandwagon yet -- but I'm getting closer. 

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19 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

One thing about Matta -- the last I saw, Wichita State had him on their radar for next season. But if we're looking for a coach after next season (barring a winless finish or some other disaster, I think Archie gets at least another year) and Matta has taken the WSU job, I would think even though it might not be the greatest of optics, if we wanted him, he'd come -- even after one season. Who remembers that Huggy Bear bolted Kansas State after a season?

All that said, I'm not fully on the "Fire Archie" bandwagon yet -- but I'm getting closer. 

Im not sold on a coach who hasn’t coached in four years and was in declining health and overall program success. 
 

I’d like to think we can do better than Thad Matta.

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1 hour ago, Feathery said:

The more I think about it the more I think Dolson needs to make a move this off-season. The recruiting class for next year is 1 player and a transfer. If we wait another season and the struggling continues, then we make a change, that’s going to be back to back classes with subpar recruiting. That puts the next coach at a talent deficit. Making a move this spring, go find the money, gives the new coach the best set up for stability and talent. We likely lose TJD either way. But the new coach walks into a group of sophs and juniors to build around. Waiting another year and then you have players like Franklin who could graduate early and leave. This off-season is the best time for a change to have the least amount of holes. 

While that seems logical, he’s going to get another full season. Dolson needs to do his homework for his first major hire, he can’t rush the most important job at Indiana. 
 

Plus, the buyout. Here’s some more info on the buyout

https://www.insidethehall.com/2017/06/27/archie-miller-to-earn-average-of-335-million-annually-on-eight-year-contract/

 

 

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Just throwing this out there, but Matta considered taking the Georgia job. It was his for the taking, but he ultimately declined it.

The man is feeling better and wants to coach. It's a matter of trusting that his body will hold up and finding the right situation. 

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1 hour ago, Feathery said:

Absolutely. But is he healthy is the question. If he isn’t Dolson will need other candidates. Which means to me.... an IU guy. Though I’m starting to believe that it’s worth a try with the correct setup. Someone that has some sweat equity might be what’s needed to right the ship. 

Although I don’t really think an IU guy is necessary for us to get back to a competitive level of play, it is something that Dolson will have pressure to do. He was a central figure getting RMK back and the former players may push for that. Hopefully they push for the best guy but they may feel an IU guy is that. 
 

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1 minute ago, Bowhunter said:

Brad Stevens is at the top of the mountain. He would have plenty of NBA Gm’s hire him if he was available . The only time I ever see an NBA coach come back to college is if they are failing. Stevens is one of the top coaches in the league. It’s not happening people!


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Problem is , will Stevens accept just any NBA job? I don’t think so. He hasn’t won at Boston yet and that’s not changing. We probably have a better chance at winning a cake walk at our local church than Stevens coming home but it’s worth a phone call at the very least. 

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4 minutes ago, hper50 said:

If we fire Archie & hire Alford, I’m buying Butler season tickets ...

*ducks*

If that happens then I’m deleting my account here and putting my Indiana Basketball clothing away for a few years. LOL

 

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm not sold on a guy who is 15 games under .500 in his one head coaching gig. 

 I get it, trust me. But I’d rather give a new guy a chance than Steve running this program into the definition of mediocre. To be clear, neither of them are on my very very short list of candidates. 

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2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I’ll probably go Virginia. You can’t fire a guy for recruiting violations citing standards and morals then hire a guy like Alford who abused a rape victim. 

Yep. Even if he were to win a NCAA title at Nevada, I just can't get past that Pierre Pierce situation. And Alford just continually doubled down on how he handled it until he got to UCLA -- when he issued a very faint, insincere sort-of apology. 

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I have no loyalty to former IU players as possible IU coaches. But Steve Alford is a much superior coach than Archie Miller. Archie is 20-25 years behind the times. Alford may not be the ideal coach for IU but he at least understands how to coach contemporary basketball. Frankly, imo, Archie is the worst IU coach since Lou Watson (who was fired before IU hired Bobby Knight). He is a terrible game coach and has locked his players into a rigid offensive scheme that has little chance of succeeding. BTW, I have watched or attending nearly every IU basketball game since the Lou Watson era. 

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4 minutes ago, tomallenfan said:

I know this may sound self-righteous because we have all made mistakes in our lives, but I would not go to another IU game if they were to hire Alford.

I would rather IU go another 20 years of mediocre play under Archie.


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I feel this way about Alford -- and Bruce Pearl. I've seen plenty of people on this board mention him -- something about him just really, really bugs me. To me, he just exudes sleaziness. He's the kind of guy who if I was in a room with, after he left, I'd want to check to make sure I still had everything with me -- and then go take a shower. Hell, I'd rather bring back Kelvin Sampson than to even consider Bruce Pearl. 

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