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[68Hoosier 1,248]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

That's absolutely fine. 

More impressed with taking UCLA to a final four or more impressed with taking Oklahoma? Or is it all the same to you? 

I will be more impressed if anyone can come here and take IU back to the FF, LOL. 

[IUHoosierJoe 2,151]

24 minutes ago, Papacap said:

If Miller won, no one would give a crap about his “fit”. It’s laughable that a program as bad as ours has been that some are so focused on that. Let’s make winning our culture 

“If Miller won” is the whole point.  He didn’t.  And there are good reasons why he didn’t even though he came from a winning culture.

[Jam 288]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

A large portion of UCLA's appearances are the direct results of Sam Gilbert's illegal NIL long before NIL was a thing. Wooden cheated and should have an asterisk next to every NCAA title he "won".

But I digress...

Another issue was that the NCAA only had 16 spots, only included conference champions , and the teams were geographicalLy seeded. Many years they just needed to beat a Weber State to make the final four.

[Rico 3,537]

46 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Has it happened to McDermott? If so I might be jumping out of the mail van

Yes.

[AZ Hoosier 10,858]

10 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Jaybob, I love your posts, so my response is not meant to be combative… just an attempt to talk about a different topic. 

Like many here I was turned off by the true fan comments. I think Woody has been horrible to the fanbase because he is insecure and has a big ego.

Cronin’s team yesterday led for 37 minutes and blew it at the end. Fans were booing the team as they were fighting through adversity rather than rallying around them to win… at home. Most coaches would be annoyed with that IMO. Obviously college is a completely different level than HS ball, but fans would probably not do that to a HS team for a few reasons. One of the big ones is the idea that you are “in community” with the players and staff who represent your HS team. Yes they are paid big in D1/P5, but the same concept exists in college - that this is a team you support because you’re in community with them.

A good leader knows how to build rapport with fans and get the best out of them. Pagoda made a great post about the coach having to be a coach for the fans too… Doesn’t seem Cronin has done that at UCLA, but my point is basically that fans are not above accountability either, as much as we call for it. Fans need to do our part and uphold their part of the pact with their program. That means cheering through good times and bad in the stadium.

I was okay with Woody being booed relentlessly because he earned it. Hopefully in the same situation as UCLA last night, with a new coach in their first season or tow, IU fans wouldn’t be booing. If they were, I’d hope they’d be receptive to constructive criticism if the coach thinks it’s necessary for the health of the program. There are better ways to do it than Cronin yesterday but I don’t think it’s comparable to Woody’s behavior. 

The first 3 years of Crean is a perfect example. The program was gutted, there was no NIL and we were largely playing scrubs and castoffs... but the fans understood that and appreciated the effort... the results weren't the true measure at that point... 

I believe and hope that a new coach would get a bit of a honeymoon period, regardless of who it is.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,753]

4 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

I will be more impressed if anyone can come here and take IU back to the FF, LOL. 

Why couldn't Sampson just not been an idiot? He had it made. 

[AZ Hoosier 10,858]

6 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

That's absolutely fine. 

More impressed with taking UCLA to a final four or more impressed with taking Oklahoma? Or is it all the same to you? 

The Final Four is the Final Four... but doing it in a place with a reputation (good or bad) like UCLA could be easier than a relatively remote place like Oklahoma... of course, it could also be expected more...

I see it as. same-same. Get thee to a Final Four.

[WRSMick55 260]

29 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I’d call $Bill and see if he wants a change of scenery.  Seemed pretty checked out last night.  

Fun fact. Remember Larry Bird saying something to the effect that after so many years you need to move on because players stop listening and things get stale. Doubt Self would leave Kansas, don’t really have an opinion o; him. How many years does he realistically want to coach?

[IUHoosierJoe 2,151]

2 minutes ago, WRSMick55 said:

Fun fact. Remember Larry Bird saying something to the effect that after so many years you need to move on because players stop listening and things get stale. Doubt Self would leave Kansas, don’t really have an opinion o; him. How many years does he realistically want to coach?

Last year and this year, Self reminds me of Knight’s last 6 years here….looks burned out and not as interested.

[Kentuckysucks 4,332]

2 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Last year and this year, Self reminds me of Knight’s last 6 years here….looks burned out and not as interested.

The Hunter Dickinson effect.

[RoadRage 3,012]

8 minutes ago, WRSMick55 said:

Fun fact. Remember Larry Bird saying something to the effect that after so many years you need to move on because players stop listening and things get stale. Doubt Self would leave Kansas, don’t really have an opinion o; him. How many years does he realistically want to coach?

I think he said 3 years, I fully expect Woody to quote Bird on Senior Night!

[OKHOOSIER 5,890]

8 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The Final Four is the Final Four... but doing it in a place with a reputation (good or bad) like UCLA could be easier than a relatively remote place like Oklahoma... of course, it could also be expected more...

I see it as. same-same. Get thee to a Final Four.

I don’t think we are being entirely fair to OK here. They had three final fours, 13 conference championships, a few conference tournament championships among other things prior to Kelvin getting there. They weren’t the little sisters of the poor. 

[Asha’man 1,069]

4 hours ago, ronzo4IU said:

I get what you’re saying, but like you said all things being equal I think we need to get somebody in here that has plenty of energy and excitement to build a program in the right way and not just rely on NIL.  I just think for the long haul and to get somebody that’s gonna be here for a considerable amount of time there are options of younger coaches out there that I think would fit the bill and be better than getting a coach for 5 to 7 years and then have to re-hire again. 

I think whoever gets the job needs to have the energy to match what the job demands. They need to be able to handle the “social” aspects of meeting with donors, high school coaches, and give speeches. 
 

Just because someone is younger doesn’t mean they will be here for the long haul.  If someone is elite in college and young they can go to the NBA, see Donovan and Stevens. And to me if someone is 60-62 years old will give a solid decade, someone in their 50’s could give 2 decades. I don’t think we should take a flyer on a young coach by emphasizing a multi decade hire when the game will change and we will likely need to change to the “meta” of that day. 
 

NIL is now the lifeblood of every program so coaching X’s and O’s will be paramount for national championship success imo.  The talent should always be there moving forward. The HC will need to be superb at roster construction and getting the pieces that make it work. 

[IUrocker 2,489]

I actually feel better about getting May after just 1 year at Michigan rather than him being there longer and establishing roots. His bags still aren’t fully unpacked yet. It’s as easy as he appreciates the opportunity Michigan gave him, he turned them around, but he got an offer he can’t refuse to coach at home. I think the only way Dusty signs an extension with UM is if it’s because Dolson isn’t trying to get him.

[SlammySammy 1,693]

What do we think the ceiling is for throwing cash at Dusty? Are we willing to make him the top paid coach in the Big Ten and beyond just to get him? Do we heavily load that contract with conditions like Cignetti for bonuses? I.E. You win the Big Ten you get 2 million bonus, You go to the tournament, you get 1 million bonus, etc?

[realTomCrean 2,762]

Sampson and IU to mend past wrongdoings. He's coming back

[68Hoosier 1,248]

Just now, realTomCrean said:

Sampson and IU to mend past wrongdoings. He's coming back

Hide all your potted plants.

[TadQueasy 2,581]

1 minute ago, SlammySammy said:

What do we think the ceiling is for throwing cash at Dusty? Are we willing to make him the top paid coach in the Big Ten and beyond just to get him? Do we heavily load that contract with conditions like Cignetti for bonuses? I.E. You win the Big Ten you get 2 million bonus, You go to the tournament, you get 1 million bonus, etc?

[HinnyHoosier 6,611]

3 hours ago, HoosierPapi4 said:

After last nights loss

 

Mick Cronin: "All we're worried about is our shooting, ... Our crowd's mind is on the wrong stuff. They make it worse. The stress in Pauley is crazy. How about help the guy, cheer for the guy? He's not trying to miss the free throw. Everyone's mind is on the wrong stuff."

 

Sounds like he’d handle our fan base really well…

Yeah, I was actually warming to the idea of him but that's a red flag. I know he's a curmudgeon and honestly that's ok, but to go directly at the fans after your team threw the game away.... That won't fly here (unless you're a true fan).

[iu eyedoc 4,422]

12 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

I think he said 3 years, I fully expect Woody to quote Bird on Senior Night!

It may be more a paraphrase, "After 4 years of players not finding their own shots I am moving on with my wallet stuffed fat."