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7 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Well it’s not really “high” to fire him, it’s actually pretty low compared normal contract language. It’s 70% of remaining comp. Most from what I can tell are generally 90%+. (Kelsey gets 95% for example). So either his agent sucks, or UM wasn’t completely sold that he was not another flash in the pan— which lots of people here argued last spring. Let’s say Dusty wasn’t good. They give him three years. They’d owe him considerably less than we would owe Woody to leave after 4 if he had been fired, not retired (lol). It’s an incredibly friendly deal for Michigan. Like laughably so. 
 

The voluntary buyout is for sure low, I just don’t think there’s any planet where Michigan negotiates that strictly for Dusty to benefit and bolt after one season. Not with how bad the involuntary is for him.  Honestly his whole contract is pretty wonky compared to others, but if I was to chalk that up to anything it would be Michigan not being all in on basketball. It’s important there absolutely, but it is and will always be an afterthought. Maybe it really was “I’ll agree to an incredibly bad deal if I get fired if you agree to a relatively low voluntary buyout” that just seems really unlikely to me. 
 

sorry for the ramble, I find these contract things fun, it’s wild in the NBA lol

I would say it is exactly that, Dusty insisted on a low buyout and Michigan countered with a lower buyout if he is fired. I wouldn’t call 70% that low but I’m sure it is lower than a lot of other coaches. Now the question is, why did Dusty insist on that low buyout? In case the Indiana job became available and they wanted him is as good an explanation as I can think of, but maybe he has his eye on another job?

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,753]

19 FFs for UCLA 

5 FFs for Oklahoma 

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2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Great post. Fully agree. We need a coach who can be a leader for the players and the fans. Admin too, probably. A guy who earns respect and knows when to command authority. 

Cig has done it.  I was looking at next season and getting worried we may lose some games and maybe only get to 7 or 8 wins.  Then I had this wave of guilt that I was letting Cig down with my self-imposed limitations that should not be part of our new football culture!  I snapped out of it and started thinking about another playoff run…

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10 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Oh absolutely. Sampson didn't have a single nba guy on the roster and won 30 games and went to a FF. Cronin had 4 or 5. 

Cronin and Sampson is a really bad comparison for Cronin fans. 

Might not of had an NBA player but he had really good college basketball players.  Hollis Price was a stud 

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2 minutes ago, Jet812 said:

Those that want IU to be good would love a Cronin hire.  Those that want IU to be great, not so much.

Who will make IU great? Assume Stevens and May say no

1 minute ago, SlammySammy said:

What about the huge buyout?

Not my money, but definitely something that Dolson needs to consider. Do you pay up for him vs take a shot on a younger, “higher upside” coach for cheaper? Does that fit where IU is right now after the last 8 years?

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

"As impressive as taking Oklahoma to a final four"... 

If he'd taken Cinci (which he couldn't he went 6-9 in the NCAAT and only one sw16) to the final four .... I would have those as equals (Oklahoma to FF and Cinci to FF)... 

So you're as impressed with Tennessees football season as you are IUs? You'd consider those equal coaching jobs? By Heupel and Cignetti? 

I see what you’re saying, I just don’t think it matters that much. They’ve accomplished similar things, the brand recognition of where they did it at is moot. Bottom line IMO, he’s shown he’s capable of making a F4 only a few years ago and he goes dancing every season. I think that’s worth IUBB considering at this point. Bob Knight reincarnated isn’t walking through those doors any time soon. 

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7 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Holy hell, I hope he no higher than anyones 5 or 6. Stevens, May, Golden, Otz, Few and a couple more are all easily higher on my list, wouldn't be Archie, Woodson level hires, and likely the best coach since Sampson.

5 or 6 seems a reasonable spot for him.

Who do we think was in the 5 or 6 spot for UK and UofL last year?

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Cronin isn’t in anyone’s top-5 I don’t think. What I do think is he’s in the top-5 of good coaches who would actually say yes to coming to IU. I much prefer fun rumors on a free forum that may or may not be true according to the Postal Service*

That said and I’ve chided the trolls on this repeatedly— I, and many I would guess, never thought chances of Brad was that realistic. 0%? No, there’s a chance. Over 25%? No way. So where does that leave us? With a ton of eggs in the Dusty basket. He says no? Where does that leave us?
Otz, Drew, Oats, Few, Beard, Pearl, et. al. Are not walking through the door. I’d put any of those at less than 5% chance if I’m being honest and making odds. So some combination of the field is what I would bet on. And Cronin isn’t a bad option of the field. Even he is moot anyways unless the buyout was renegotiated. No whale booster is gonna pay that ridiculous buyout for a Cronin. 

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1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Cronin isn’t in anyone’s top-5 I don’t think. What I do think is he’s in the top-5 of good coaches who would actually say yes to coming to IU. I much prefer fun rumors on a free forum that may or may not be true according to the Postal Service*

That said and I’ve chided the trolls on this repeatedly— I, and many I would guess, never thought chances of Brad was that realistic. 0%? No, there’s a chance. Over 25%? No way. So where does that leave us? With a ton of eggs in the Dusty basket. He says no? Where does that leave us?
Otz, Drew, Oats, Few, Beard, Pearl, et. al. Are not walking through the door. I’d put any of those at less than 5% chance if I’m being honest and making odds. So some combination of the field is what I would bet on. And Cronin isn’t a bad option of the field. Even he is moot anyways unless the buyout was renegotiated. No whale booster is gonna pay that ridiculous buyout for a Cronin. 

Of course he's in people's top 5, they're some convinced he's a top 15 coach lol 

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7 hours ago, rcbowla said:

Are kids soft or just the players we've brought in here and then harbored that mindset with coaches that don't hold players accountable?

Very fair point that I don’t unfortunately know the answer to

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Watching the Journey episode about May coming back to Bloomington 

 

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I would take Sampson back and let him fix the mess he made. Just clean up the nonsense and we would be good to go

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I’d call $Bill and see if he wants a change of scenery.  Seemed pretty checked out last night.  

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40 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I don't see it that way. Cutting off non power 4 coaches is dumb. 

You aren't understanding my point. Louisville and Kentucky did not get well established, long successful coaches. We should be thinking about the possibility that Cronin, McDermott, etc are not gonna be the coach, which is piggybacking on the original post I was replying too.

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14 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Looking at a resume and skipping over the personality and fit is what we did with Archie Miller.  

If Miller won, no one would give a crap about his “fit”. It’s laughable that a program as bad as ours has been that some are so focused on that. Let’s make winning our culture 

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If Self is checked out at a place where the established floor is so high, there’s no way he’s gonna work to get there at a new place. I was making this point before they got whooped in their last two games. 

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6 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Cronin isn’t in anyone’s top-5 I don’t think. What I do think is he’s in the top-5 of good coaches who would actually say yes to coming to IU. I much prefer fun rumors on a free forum that may or may not be true according to the Postal Service*

That said and I’ve chided the trolls on this repeatedly— I, and many I would guess, never thought chances of Brad was that realistic. 0%? No, there’s a chance. Over 25%? No way. So where does that leave us? With a ton of eggs in the Dusty basket. He says no? Where does that leave us?
Otz, Drew, Oats, Few, Beard, Pearl, et. al. Are not walking through the door. I’d put any of those at less than 5% chance if I’m being honest and making odds. So some combination of the field is what I would bet on. And Cronin isn’t a bad option of the field. Even he is moot anyways unless the buyout was renegotiated. No whale booster is gonna pay that ridiculous buyout for a Cronin. 

Good points.  I have lowered my expectations on what we are realistically going to get.  After the last let down I and thinking of someone in the field but hold out hopes we get a home run. 

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Also, sincerely, Cronin going off last night is not some secret message but man, if he wants the IU job I think he bites his tongue there.

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3 minutes ago, Papacap said:

If Miller won, no one would give a crap about his “fit”. It’s laughable that a program as bad as ours has been that some are so focused on that. Let’s make winning our culture 

Winning fixes a lot of problems and brings people together.  

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37 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Exactly. That's why I feel much better about Dusty this year than last. He's proven he can level up to the B1G.

That was my biggest concern with Dusty.  He needed to prove himself in a major conference before I’d entertain him.  He’s done that, for sure.

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6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Watching the Journey episode about May coming back to Bloomington 

 

Is that Dolson being kicked for not firing Woody at the end of last season?