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This should go without saying obviously, but there will be no press conference tomorrow. I’ll be able to take the lid off a bit later in the week. But will say this, anybody providing details right no

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So I couldn’t get much from him unfortunately. But, to me that’s a good thing. There’s been pretty much zero chatter, nor leaks for a month about coaches. He said it doesn’t matter that the season is

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I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again-there is no way Scott Dolson is actually going from offering Brad Stevens 7+ million dollars a year to offering Mike Woodson the job. Mike has a 46% winning percentage in over 600 games as a head coach in the NBA. If he wasn’t an IU guy he wouldn’t even be a blip on our radar. There is no way Dolson can be that dumb. He just can’t be. If the job is going to an IU guy it has to be Fife with a strong staff of assistants.

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I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again-there is no way Scott Dolson is actually going from offering Brad Stevens 7+ million dollars a year to offering Mike Woodson the job. Mike has a 46% winning percentage in over 600 games as a head coach in the NBA. If he wasn’t an IU guy he wouldn’t even be a blip on our radar. There is no way Dolson can be that dumb. He just can’t be. If the job is going to an IU guy it has to be Fife with a strong staff of assistants.

In the same vein, no way Dolson got a booster to pony up 10 million for a buyout and to settle on Woodson. Even after the Stevens whiff, I can’t see it


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Good perspective here from an SI writer on why Keith Smart should be considered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/basketball/tom-brew-one-indiana-coaching-candidate-checks-all-boxes-keith-smart

The unicorn some of you are looking for does not exist. Where do we flex? What are the true must haves? What is IU basketball? It’s 2021 and we’ve been mostly irrelevant for the better part of 20 years. Let’s get behind Dolson and let him do the job he is clearly qualified for.


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52 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Without any research, I’m a no as head coach. Can’t imagine Dolson winning the press conference announcing him as head coach.

Same, I could buy him as a nice assistant pick.

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Summed up perfectly with this passage:

“Dolson means business here, and he needs to swing for the fences until he lands a legitimate top prospect.

That means no more hiring mid-major coaches on a budget with your fingers crossed.

And that means no hiring fellow “IU Guys” to desperately grasp for a past that is long, long gone.”


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11 minutes ago, madmax said:

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again-there is no way Scott Dolson is actually going from offering Brad Stevens 7+ million dollars a year to offering Mike Woodson the job. Mike has a 46% winning percentage in over 600 games as a head coach in the NBA. If he wasn’t an IU guy he wouldn’t even be a blip on our radar. There is no way Dolson can be that dumb. He just can’t be. If the job is going to an IU guy it has to be Fife with a strong staff of assistants.

He took over two awful franchises and had higher winning percentages than the guy before and after. Look at the coaches who hired him as an assistant. Some of the best coaches in the NBA continually hire him as part of their staff. His resume craps on guys like Smart and Mussleman.  
 

In the NBA you don’t get to choose your players. Stevens will likely be under .500 this year and it’s due to roster. Woodson has taken over crappy rosters and coached them up as well as anyone. It is why hes respected around the league. 
 

At 63 and not having coached in college, I don’t particularly want him either. But people crapping on his resume or coaching chops don’t know what they are talking about. 
 

It’s fine if you don’t want him as coach, but what’s with hating on an alum who is well respected in NBA coaching circles?

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15 minutes ago, NCHoosier said:

Good perspective here from an SI writer on why Keith Smart should be considered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/basketball/tom-brew-one-indiana-coaching-candidate-checks-all-boxes-keith-smart

The unicorn some of you are looking for does not exist. Where do we flex? What are the true must haves? What is IU basketball? It’s 2021 and we’ve been mostly irrelevant for the better part of 20 years. Let’s get behind Dolson and let him do the job he is clearly qualified for.


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I’m sorry, but that article is terrible and most of the boxes are arbitrary. 
 

“Oh sure, I'd love it if Brad Stevens would leave the Boston Celtics, based on his track record at Butler and his state of Indiana ties, but even he doesn't check all those boxes, mostly the last two. And all the other names that get mentioned this week -- John Beilein, Rick Pitino, Chris Beard, Scott Drew -- can't check a lot of these boxes either.”

If a guy with a 35% winning percentage in the NBA and zero college coaching experience checks all your boxes but Brad Stevens, Chris Beard, Scott Drew, and John Beilein don’t, your boxes are crap. This writer picked the candidate he wanted and then made up the criteria to try to justify it.

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He took over two awful franchises and had higher winning percentages than the guy before and after. Look at the coaches who hired him as an assistant. Some of the best coaches in the NBA continually hire him as part of their staff. His resume craps on guys like Smart and Mussleman.  
 

In the NBA you don’t get to choose your players. Stevens will likely be under .500 this year and it’s due to roster. Woodson has taken over crappy rosters and coached them up as well as anyone. It is why hes respected around the league. 
 

At 63 and not having coached in college, I don’t particularly want him either. But people crapping on his resume or coaching chops don’t know what they are talking about. 
 

It’s fine if you don’t want him as coach, but what’s with hating on an alum who is well respected in NBA coaching circles?

Musselman has a 70% winning percentage in college. I’d take that any day.

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33 minutes ago, NCHoosier said:

Good perspective here from an SI writer on why Keith Smart should be considered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/basketball/tom-brew-one-indiana-coaching-candidate-checks-all-boxes-keith-smart

The unicorn some of you are looking for does not exist. Where do we flex? What are the true must haves? What is IU basketball? It’s 2021 and we’ve been mostly irrelevant for the better part of 20 years. Let’s get behind Dolson and let him do the job he is clearly qualified for.


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Smart would be a good assistant under someone like Musselman who he played for.

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8 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Musselman has a 70% winning percentage in college. I’d take that any day.

Can’t overstate how impressive he’s been. 4 years at Nevada, the last 3 are among the best in school history. Then they hired Alford and they’re mediocre again.

Arkansas has a better history than Nevada but in year 2 he has them at a level only prime Nolan Richardson and Eddie Sutton ever got.

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Eddie Sutton. I erroneously had Lon Kruger
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20 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m sorry, but that article is terrible and most of the boxes are arbitrary. 
 

“Oh sure, I'd love it if Brad Stevens would leave the Boston Celtics, based on his track record at Butler and his state of Indiana ties, but even he doesn't check all those boxes, mostly the last two. And all the other names that get mentioned this week -- John Beilein, Rick Pitino, Chris Beard, Scott Drew -- can't check a lot of these boxes either.”

If a guy with a 35% winning percentage in the NBA and zero college coaching experience checks all your boxes but Brad Stevens, Chris Beard, Scott Drew, and John Beilein don’t, your boxes are crap. This writer picked the candidate he wanted and then made up the criteria to try to justify it.

Not only that, but two of his boxes were RMK approval and the former players' approval. Knight and the former players wouldn't approve of Stevens? That's asinine. I mean -- he's not coming, but to say Smart checks boxes Stevens doesn't is just ridiculous. The only box Smart could check that Stevens can't would be as a former player. 

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Musselman has a 70% winning percentage in college. I’d take that any day.

Yeah, Musselman would be a great hire. He's won 75% of his games in college and won his conference three years in a row at Nevada. @str8baller no one is hating on Woodson the person, we're hating on the idea of him as our next head coach... because it would be a bad idea. 

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1 minute ago, sirhoosierlot said:

I might catch hell for it but I like this Porter Moser dude. Movement on offense and no gimmick defense. Understand why people wouldn’t like the hire though. 

And I suspect he doesn't have a bunch of 5* recruits on his recruiting list. Probably doesn't have a bunch of 4's either. 

Sure knows how to motivate kids though.

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9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Musselman has a 70% winning percentage in college. I’d take that any day.

Musselman was run out of the NBA. Not a deal killer but something to look into. And he has one 20 win season in a P5 conf. 
 

His record at Nevada is nice, but its MM success. Alford was .750 at New Mexico. Shaka .740 at VCU. So on and so forth.  
 

Not a bad candidate, but it’s essentially betting on a MM darling again. 

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