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[CSP]

Just now, kottke said:

For argument’s sake, let’s say it would be Hunter leaving instead. Would Brooks be an upgrade? I don’t know a lot about his game, but from what I gather he’s a worse shooter but better rebounder and defender. Is that accurate?

I think Brooks+Kopp > Kopp+Hunter..... I also would say Brooks+Hunter> Kopp+Hunter. I think this because Brooks skill set compliments the other two... where I see Kopp and Hunter closer to the same player than Brooks. 

[Bigred3588]

13 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Sorry but you don't make one of the top coaches in the state mad. Say he moves to another job in a couple years at say LN or Bloomington South for example. You don't burn bridges especially in Indiana. It would impact more than just getting guys from Culver but if you've never coached high school or AAU in the state you wouldn't understand that. 

IIRC, burning bridges in Indiana played a bit of a role in Crean's departure didn't it?

[ap2345]

3 minutes ago, kottke said:

For argument’s sake, let’s say it would be Hunter leaving instead. Would Brooks be an upgrade? I don’t know a lot about his game, but from what I gather he’s a worse shooter but better rebounder and defender. Is that accurate?

That's accurate plus Brooks is a much better athlete and actually has better shooting form than Hunter. Brooks will actually put pressure on the defense were as Hunter has never really done that. 

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, Bigred3588 said:

IIRC, burning bridges in Indiana played a bit of a role in Crean's departure didn't it?

It did indeed. 

[Chris007]

6 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I like guys that have a track record of winning to fill out the roster. Then beyond that if they develop and contribute as juniors and seniors then great. If not then they can be guys that play spot minutes and won't kill you. That's what you need at the end of the bench. Also Baylor won the national championship and had their last 2-3 scholarship players on their roster that had lower recruiting rankings/grades than Galloway and Leal. So yes you can win with them being your last two scholarships. 

Leal came from Bloomington South. JR Holmes has won there for 40 years. Not like Leal made them a winner or something. I understand what your saying but Leal just doesn't fit that. But I do agree about having winning players and winning attitudes on the team. 

[Bigred3588]

14 minutes ago, kottke said:

For argument’s sake, let’s say it would be Hunter leaving instead. Would Brooks be an upgrade? I don’t know a lot about his game, but from what I gather he’s a worse shooter but better rebounder and defender. Is that accurate?

That's my impression as well, and it doesn't really make sense to swap Hunter for Brooks if the previous poster was right about Woodson not wanting to play 4 on 5 on the offensive end.

[ap2345]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Leal came from Bloomington South. JR Holmes has won there for 40 years. Not like Leal made them a winner or something. I understand what your saying but Leal just doesn't fit that. But I do agree about having winning players and winning attitudes on the team. 

Leal not as much as Galloway but it's still a kid that has grown up in a winning culture. That's something that IU needs more of. You have to have talent but also guys that know how to fill a role and what it takes to win. 

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, Bigred3588 said:

IIRC, burning bridges in Indiana played a bit of a role in Crean's departure didn't it?

Also missing the tournament, terrible basketball (no defense, 25 turnovers, crazy subs) p*ssing off everyone in the athletic department all played a role too. 

[Hoosier987]

8 minutes ago, kottke said:

For argument’s sake, let’s say it would be Hunter leaving instead.

Very interesting point. You could be on to something.

[Hoosier987]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Also missing the tournament, terrible basketball (no defense, 25 turnovers, crazy subs) p*ssing off everyone in the athletic department all played a role too. 

BINGO

[ap2345]

KEION BROOKS JR an INDIANA UNIVERSITY LEGEND that never played at INDIANA!

[Hoosierfan2017]

5 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Sorry but you don't make one of the top coaches in the state mad. Say he moves to another job in a couple years at say LN or Bloomington South for example. That would be a problem and is always possible. You don't burn bridges especially in Indiana. It would impact more than just getting guys from Culver but if you've never coached high school or AAU in the state you wouldn't understand that. 

I’m sorry, but the whole “burning bridges by making coaches mad” thing is overblown. Do you think John Calipari worries about ‘burning bridges’? He pushes out 5 stars and reloads every year. Do you think Coach K worries about burning bridges?
 

Say Keion comes in next year and helps IU win a Big Ten title or make a tournament run. Do you really think the good that would do to recruiting would be outweighed by the bad from making one coach mad? Because I certainly don’t. Big 10 basketball is the big time. You always need to be looking for ways to improve your roster or else you’re going to get passed up by other teams. Especially now that the transfer portal is going to be permanent. 

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Also missing the tournament, terrible basketball (no defense, 25 turnovers, crazy subs) p*ssing off everyone in the athletic department all played a role too. 

The fact that he stopped landing recruits played a major role in the losing part of things. It didn't cause all of his problems though. 

[ap2345]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m sorry, but the whole “burning bridges by making coaches mad” thing is overblown. Do you think John Calipari worries about ‘burning bridges’? He pushes out 5 stars and reloads every year. Do you think Coach K worries about burning bridges?
 

Say Keion comes in next year and helps IU win a Big Ten title or make a tournament run. Do you really think the good that would do to recruiting would be outweighed by the bad from making one coach mad? Because I certainly don’t. Big 10 basketball is the big time. You always need to be looking for ways to improve your roster or else you’re going to get passed up by other teams. Especially now that the transfer portal is going to be permanent. 

He doesn't recruit Kentucky. Indiana is not Kentucky. You can't compare the two. How many major programs go to Kentucky to land recruits? Not many. How many come to Indiana? A ton. It's not overblown. Winning would help fix the problem but it wouldn't be a good look for someone that's trying to fix Indiana basketball. This is a dumb argument though because Brooks won't be at IU and it's all pointless. 

[CSP]

7 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

KEION BROOKS JR an INDIANA UNIVERSITY LEGEND that never played at INDIANA!

But crap.. 3 years ago he was a 5 STAR!!!! 

[Bigred3588]

14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m sorry, but the whole “burning bridges by making coaches mad” thing is overblown. Do you think John Calipari worries about ‘burning bridges’? He pushes out 5 stars and reloads every year. Do you think Coach K worries about burning bridges?
 

Say Keion comes in next year and helps IU win a Big Ten title or make a tournament run. Do you really think the good that would do to recruiting would be outweighed by the bad from making one coach mad? Because I certainly don’t. Big 10 basketball is the big time. You always need to be looking for ways to improve your roster or else you’re going to get passed up by other teams. Especially now that the transfer portal is going to be permanent. 

If Calipari and Coach K ran programs in states that produce the level of talent Indiana produces on a regular basis, they would probably think twice about alienating coaches within the state.

[CSP]

5 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

He doesn't recruit Kentucky. Indiana is not Kentucky. You can't compare the two. How many major programs go to Kentucky to land recruits? Not many. How many come to Indiana? A ton. It's not overblown. Winning would help fix the problem but it wouldn't be a good look for someone that's trying to fix Indiana basketball. This is a dumb argument though because Brooks won't be at IU and it's all pointless. 

Really a good point you brought up about Galloway possibly going to LN or BS. I had never thought about that, it could absolutely happen. 

Although.. I would assume BS is Coyle's to lose. 

[iu eyedoc]

41 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm not sure where I stand on this but basically what I'm hearing is fans are happy with us not really using scholarships 12 and 13 for a couple of years. I put Galloway at 12, Leal at 13. Neither should be really playing on a team that is trying to compete to win a Big Ten title. But since they love IU and want to be here, we're ok with them riding the bench, getting better, and hoping they can contribute something in their senior year. If that is the stance I guess I'm OK with it. If you get anything before then it's a bonus. 

Not sure your point, every teams 12th and 13th man just rides the pines. Almost every team only goes 8 or 9 deep for over 5 min/G PT. Leal and Galloway could easily be a12 and 13 on a B1G and NCAA championship team. If one leaves for Brooks, someone else will move down a notch and  lose PT to  Brooks or Brooks won't get the PT he wants and that is the guy that will most likely be an unhappy teammate.

I see a bigger potential problem with Hunter going from 20 min/G to 12-17 or Rob Phin 27 to 15ish. Galloway has to see the reduced minutes coming, but it will be a much harsher reality for an upperclassman to except graciously.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

He doesn't recruit Kentucky. Indiana is not Kentucky. You can't compare the two. How many major programs go to Kentucky to land recruits? Not many. How many come to Indiana? A ton. It's not overblown. Winning would help fix the problem but it wouldn't be a good look for someone that's trying to fix Indiana basketball. This is a dumb argument though because Brooks won't be at IU and it's all pointless. 

Calipari recruits Indiana and hasn’t struggled to pull top talent out of the state despite pushing players out. We see it differently and that’s fine. If we get Brooks then awesome. If not, I’m happy with the team that we have. We’ll see what happens. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Really a good point you brought up about Galloway possibly going to LN or BS. I had never thought about that, it could absolutely happen. 

Although.. I would assume BS is Coyle's to lose. 

It is a good point because it would never happen. Neither school is going to hire someone his age. Not sure what the staff at LN is like but I know South well and he wouldn't be top 3 maybe top 5 on the list at South. South has two former head coaches on staff, with Criss Beyers also being a long-time assistant.