Archie. Miller. Fired.

[Josh]

5 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Wonder if they'll do what they did four years ago and drop the news at a crazy time...like right when the Selection Show begins on CBS. 

It's the only way Archie Miller's name will appear during a show about the NCAA tournament 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

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Here is the interview

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[HoosierFan1994]

6 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

 

 

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Wow! Pretty sure Collin even came back one more year to play when Archie arrived. If he thinks this way imagine what other former players think. 

[cappymo14]

I think accepting an NIT invitation would be wrong. This team doesn't want to play. They just want to get out of the lime light and forget this season. 

I don’t think they should accept either, should they be chosen. That NIT in CTC’s final year was a baaaaaad look. Imagine it this year.


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[Rico]

5 minutes ago, cappymo14 said:

I don’t think they should accept either, should they be chosen. That NIT in CTC’s final year was a baaaaaad look. Imagine it this year.


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Meh, I want to see them play one more time just to see if they have improved on their FT shooting...

[IUrocker]

I bet they play again because Archie still has packs of gum he hasn’t finished yet. Can’t just let it go to waste..

[cappymo14]

Meh, I want to see them play one more time just to see if they have improved on their FT shooting...

Good shooters a plenty. Not so many makers....


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Interesting read from Osterman.   https://indianapolisstar-in.newsmemory.com/?publink=29f5556b8_1345cae

[Bowhunter]

Interesting read from Osterman.   https://indianapolisstar-in.newsmemory.com/?publink=29f5556b8_1345cae

I have posted similar views in another thread I started last month. I truly believe this.


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[Trish]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Interesting read from Osterman.   https://indianapolisstar-in.newsmemory.com/?publink=29f5556b8_1345cae

Couldn’t agree more with Zach. It’s not just a coaching issue at Indiana. 

[LamarCheeks]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Interesting read from Osterman.   https://indianapolisstar-in.newsmemory.com/?publink=29f5556b8_1345cae

Damn, I had to stop in the middle of this column and look up "ephemera." 

[Josh]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Interesting read from Osterman.   https://indianapolisstar-in.newsmemory.com/?publink=29f5556b8_1345cae

I certainly agree with his thoughts about IU fans demanding that our recruits are local.  I've heard this for years and it drives me crazy.

When we get large recruiting classes from the state of Indiana, they almost always disappoint.  In fact, the only Indiana recruits in the last 20 years that I would say didn't disappoint were Zeller, Gordon, Jeffries and Yogi.  Sometimes I wonder if people tell these Indiana kids how much better they are because they're native Hoosiers and it goes to their heads, affecting their play.

Get the best recruits regardless of where they're from.  I don't care if the recruit is from Indiana or Uranus.  There's nothing special in the water here making Indiana kids better than anywhere else.

Inside out?  That's limiting yourself.  Recruit everywhere.

[HoosierAloha]

I certainly agree with his thoughts about IU fans demanding that our recruits are local.  I've heard this for years and it drives me crazy.
When we get large recruiting classes from the state of Indiana, they almost always disappoint.  In fact, the only Indiana recruits in the last 20 years that I would say didn't disappoint were Zeller, Gordon, Jeffries and Yogi.  Sometimes I wonder if people tell these Indiana kids how much better they are because they're native Hoosiers and it goes to their heads, affecting their play.
Get the best recruits regardless of where they're from.  I don't care if the recruit is from Indiana or Uranus.  There's nothing special in the water here making Indiana kids better than anywhere else.
Inside out?  That's limiting yourself.  Recruit everywhere.

Eh? I think the recruit from Uranus would struggle with Earth’s gravity limiting his athletic ability. Hard pass


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[HoosierFan1994]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

I certainly agree with his thoughts about IU fans demanding that our recruits are local.  I've heard this for years and it drives me crazy.

When we get large recruiting classes from the state of Indiana, they almost always disappoint.  In fact, the only Indiana recruits in the last 20 years that I would say didn't disappoint were Zeller, Gordon, Jeffries and Yogi.  Sometimes I wonder if people tell these Indiana kids how much better they are because they're native Hoosiers and it goes to their heads, affecting their play.

Get the best recruits regardless of where they're from.  I don't care if the recruit is from Indiana or Uranus.  There's nothing special in the water here making Indiana kids better than anywhere else.

Inside out?  That's limiting yourself.  Recruit everywhere.

Preach. 2012 and 2018. I think it's important to get the best player in the state if he's a high level player. Anthony Leal is not a high level player. Rob Phinisee is not a high level player. The 2020 in-state class was pretty weak. I think the 2021 in-state class is pretty overrated outside of Kaufman. I think the whole obsession over in-state recruiting is fans were pissed about losing some really good players that would've done well at IU (Gary Harris, Trey Lyles, Kyle Guy to name some). Bottom line is you get the best players you can. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

13 minutes ago, Josh said:

I certainly agree with his thoughts about IU fans demanding that our recruits are local.  I've heard this for years and it drives me crazy.

When we get large recruiting classes from the state of Indiana, they almost always disappoint.  In fact, the only Indiana recruits in the last 20 years that I would say didn't disappoint were Zeller, Gordon, Jeffries and Yogi.  Sometimes I wonder if people tell these Indiana kids how much better they are because they're native Hoosiers and it goes to their heads, affecting their play.

Get the best recruits regardless of where they're from.  I don't care if the recruit is from Indiana or Uranus.  There's nothing special in the water here making Indiana kids better than anywhere else.

Inside out?  That's limiting yourself.  Recruit everywhere.

Yeah I don’t disagree that we can’t handcuff ourselves to the state but how many have left in those same 20 years that we could have desperately used that were far better options than what was on our rosters? The Sean May’s...Conley and Oden, Teague, Lyles, Irvin, Harris. Kyle Guy, deshaun Thomas. The list goes on, that’s just top of my head. We aren’t going to get them all, but being the flagship program in a state with the talent level it has, it doesn’t make any sense not to take advantage of that talent as much as possible. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I certainly agree with his thoughts about IU fans demanding that our recruits are local.  I've heard this for years and it drives me crazy.
When we get large recruiting classes from the state of Indiana, they almost always disappoint.  In fact, the only Indiana recruits in the last 20 years that I would say didn't disappoint were Zeller, Gordon, Jeffries and Yogi.  Sometimes I wonder if people tell these Indiana kids how much better they are because they're native Hoosiers and it goes to their heads, affecting their play.
Get the best recruits regardless of where they're from.  I don't care if the recruit is from Indiana or Uranus.  There's nothing special in the water here making Indiana kids better than anywhere else.
Inside out?  That's limiting yourself.  Recruit everywhere.

This should be common sense. But the reverse was Crean and Davis missed a lot of in state talent that ended up being good elsewhere.

2012- Glenn Robinson, Gary Harris
2013-Zak Irvin
2014-Trey Lyles, Trevon Bluiett
2015-Caleb Swanigan
2016-Kyle Guy
2017-Jaren Jackson, Kris Wilkes, Paul Scruggs

Archie has done well in state until this Season. Kaufman and Furst. Brooks was a miss. Anderson over Henry a misjudge. Jaden Ivey proving to be the best 2020 player.

Archie should be doing better. Imo, Phinisee was a big “miss”. He wanted Garland with Romeo. He then wanted Carton. He has never had a point guard that is legit. But then again, what creative, athletic PG would want to play Archie ball? Lander, too young. Shooting from WAY to deep and out of rhythm. Archie has aimed for some serious, legit guys every class and misses almost all of them, then he falls back on the mid rated Indiana guys. Some coach could win with those guys, but he rarely has a shooter. He rarely has a rim protector. It’s almost like he doesn’t know what he’s doing.


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[Josh]

Omg guys, my faith in our program is high right now.  I posted that before I got in the shower where I thought about all the disagreement I would come back to.  Instead that post has one of those heart banner thingies.

In the past that post would have brought the heat.  Now it brings the love.

We're progressing fellas.  We're gonna right this ship.  This sleeping giant is waking up.

We just gotta flush the turd first.

[IUc2016]

This should be common sense. But the reverse was Crean and Davis missed a lot of in state talent that ended up being good elsewhere.

2012- Glenn Robinson, Gary Harris
2013-Zak Irvin
2014-Trey Lyles, Trevon Bluiett
2015-Caleb Swanigan
2016-Kyle Guy
2017-Jaren Jackson, Kris Wilkes, Paul Scruggs

Archie has done well in state until this Season. Kaufman and Furst. Brooks was a miss. Anderson over Henry a misjudge. Jaden Ivey proving to be the best 2020 player.

Archie should be doing better. Imo, Phinisee was a big “miss”. He wanted Garland with Romeo. He then wanted Carton. He has never had a point guard that is legit. But then again, what creative, athletic PG would want to play Archie ball? Lander, too young. Shooting from WAY to deep and out of rhythm. Archie has aimed for some serious, legit guys every class and misses almost all of them, then he falls back on the mid rated Indiana guys. Some coach could win with those guys, but he rarely has a shooter. He rarely has a rim protector. It’s almost like he doesn’t know what he’s doing.


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Agreed 100%. You have to BE ABLE to recruit the state because it does produce good players.

But you shouldn’t ONLY recruit the state. Because yes that is dumb and does limit the program.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Agreed 100%. You have to BE ABLE to recruit the state because it does produce good players.

But you shouldn’t ONLY recruit the state. Because yes that is dumb and does limit the program.


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He’s tried very hard to recruit out of state. Very good players. Matthew Hurt, Precious, DJ Carton, Jahmius Ramsey, Tre Mann, Ayo Dosunmu, Cockburn, Garland, Isaiah Stewart, Zeke Nanji, James Bouknight, Dawson Garcia, Caleb Love, Darius Bazely, Cole Swider, Matt Cross.

2021 was an absolute joke in recruiting.

Kaufman, Furst, Longino, Mohammad, Wesley, Camden, Hopkins, Trey Patterson, Mason Miller, Hunter Sallis.


Imagine if we got 2 of these guys per class? Would Archie win with that talent?

Next question, why are we missing? System, reputation, gray area? These questions need answered before we actually start winning big.


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