2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[Golfman25]

On 4/6/2019 at 1:05 PM, Brass Cannon said:

3 of our best 3 point shooters are back and 2 were under classmen if it’s not better a shooting coach needs to be put on staff. 

That's like being the tallest midget.  We need good shooters really bad. 

[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

That's like being the tallest midget.  We need good shooters really bad. 

Yes because never in the history of college basketball has a freshmen dramatically improved his shooting numbers.

Yogi was shooting over 40 percent from day one.......Wait the judges just informed me that despite having Cody Zeller, Watford, Hulls and Oladipo to create space Yogi only shot 30 percent his freshmen year. Upping it to 40 his next season. Is it possible that players get better?

[Old Friend]

4 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Look at Texas Tech's players and their rankings. Rob Phinisee wasn't a top 100 recruit. I'm done worrying about recruiting rankings. If the kid will play hard for Indiana and Archie plus fit the system I will take them!

I get it and I'm with you.   I'm talking about the history of this board.   I've made the same argument for years...rankings mean nothing unless you get a few top 30-40 kids on the same roster.   I'd rather have basketball players.   Happy to see others beginning to agree.

[Demo]

3 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Archie isn’t against an uptempo game, as long as it’s created from defense. The problem we had this past season was getting transition from our defense in conference play. We seemed out of sync running the fast break and I think a lot of that had to do with continuing Tú due to injury.


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I think Archie SAYS he likes to run. Maybe he even thinks he does. And easy run outs off of TO’s or long boards, sure, who doesn’t?  But I think in reality he’s a low possession, inside/out guy who places a higher priority on limiting TO’s and forcing the other team to defend. Yeah, we’ve all seen him wave his arms a couple times a game like he wants them to go. But in reality this team doesn’t run hard, ever. Didn’t last year either, and that was with veteran guards who’d played tempo previously. So I think it’s what he’s teaching. I don’t mean it critically. Bennett’s playing for a NC playing the lowest possession rate in the country. I just think it’s a bad fit for a kid like Smith. 

[mookied39]

12 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think I'd rather have Quinones over Watford, Beverly, and Windham. He would be the first guard off the bench in year one and start year two. I'd love Watford but the Romeo comment rubbed me the wrong way. IU needs guys who will play to their role. That is why I love seeing Devonte getting shots up at Cook Hall!

I may have missed it.....very busy lately....what did Romeo say?

[coonhounds]

I may have missed it.....very busy lately....what did Romeo say?

Go back a page or two it was covered. Christian said trendon wouldn't go to iu if Romeo stayed

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[mookied39]

33 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Go back a page or two it was covered. Christian said trendon wouldn't go to iu if Romeo stayed

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Thanks, yep I read that about 10 posts after mine....well at least the post count has gone up 2.  

[yogisballin]

I’m with you to a degree but Rob was also offered by Butler, VIrginia, Georgetown and Purdue. Leal (3 BT schools, Butler, Stanford and others) and  Galloway ( 4 BT including MSU and Butler/Notre Dame) both have multiple good offers. Windham, several MACS, IUPUI and Ga State.  Maybe he would be great but makes you go hmmm (basing this on other coaches opinions/offers, not stars).  If we pick him up wish him the best and hope it works out.

I see what you’re saying about windham. Us looking into to him, I hope that is a sign he was misevaluated and not look at how far IU’s recruiting has taken a dip in the last couple months or so


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[Honkyman]

More often than not players play in college at the level they are rated as high school players.  Five star players are special and are usually better than four star players, four star tend to be better than three star, etc. Obviously, there are exceptions but they are exceptions. A two star most likely will not be a player who gets a whole lot of playing time at a top 30 school, especially in their first year. Again, there are exceptions which is why an underrated player garners media attention when he plays well enough to become a starter on a Final Four team.  Maybe Windham will be one of those exceptions.  Personally, I would hope that Miller lands a higher rated player who can shoot, like Lester Quinones.

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[ebridges24]

2 hours ago, mookied39 said:

Thanks, yep I read that about 10 posts after mine....well at least the post count has gone up 2.  

Wait, when was this said? Was it in this thread?

[mookied39]

37 minutes ago, ebridges24 said:

Wait, when was this said? Was it in this thread?

Christian said in an interview that Trendon would not go to IU if Romeo stayed. I mean is that bad to say-not really. Just why does it matter? I just think IU needs to stay away from guys who want to go to college for one year. Nothing against Romeo or Trendon. 

 

This was a post on the last page of this topic.

 

[goonaha]

16 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think I'd rather have Quinones over Watford, Beverly, and Windham. He would be the first guard off the bench in year one and start year two. I'd love Watford but the Romeo comment rubbed me the wrong way. IU needs guys who will play to their role. That is why I love seeing Devonte getting shots up at Cook Hall!

Is Watford's role not 5 star, go to scorer? 

[Feathery]

1 hour ago, Honkyman said:

More often than not players play in college at the level they are rated as high school players.  Five star players are special and are usually better than four star players, four star tend to be better than three star, etc. Obviously, there are exceptions but they are exceptions. A two star most likely will not be a player who gets a whole lot of playing time at a top 30 school, especially in their first year. Again, there are exceptions which is why an underrated player garners media attention when he plays well enough to become a starter on a Final Four team.  Maybe Windham will be one of those exceptions.  Personally, I would hope that Miller lands a higher rated player who can shoot, like Lester Quinones.

Interesting to see the data that shows 4* perform at a higher level than 3* recruits in college. I understand the 5* arguement, but I think the accuracy of ranking drops after that can’t miss guys. Does the 50th ranked 4* kid really out perform the 125th ranked 3*? I think a lot depends on coach, system, player mentality, etc. recruiting rankings do not account for those. Which is why after the 5* can’t miss prospects one can’t bank of rankings. 

[American HoosierX]

35 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Interesting to see the data that shows 4* perform at a higher level than 3* recruits in college. I understand the 5* arguement, but I think the accuracy of ranking drops after that can’t miss guys. Does the 50th ranked 4* kid really out perform the 125th ranked 3*? I think a lot depends on coach, system, player mentality, etc. recruiting rankings do not account for those. Which is why after the 5* can’t miss prospects one can’t bank of rankings. 

Villanova has lived on kids in the 30-60 range.  I'm very confident kids ranked around 50 on average easily outperform kids ranked around 125.

I think the 30-75 range is the sweet spot because you are getting really good players that likely aren't going pro after 1-2 years.

[Feathery]

12 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

Villanova has lived on kids in the 30-60 range.  I'm very confident kids ranked around 50 on average easily outperform kids ranked around 125.

I think the 30-75 range is the sweet spot because you are getting really good players that likely aren't going pro after 1-2 years.

Nova has also recruited kids lower ranked than that and higher ranked than that. They get kids that fit what they do. 

[HoosierFan1994]

1 hour ago, goonaha said:

Is Watford's role not 5 star, go to scorer? 

He very well could. I would be surprised if he goes to IU. I think he is Memphis or Alabama bound. Also think we have a decent shot with Quinones. He can flat out shoot. 

[HoosierAloha]

Nova has also recruited kids lower ranked than that and higher ranked than that. They get kids that fit what they do. 

This, we need to recruit to our needs. Regardless of stars, the kid needs to play hard whether he’s starting or coming off the bench. A culture needs to be reestablished quick, fast, and in a hurry. We don’t have that so it doesn’t matter what talent we bring in it won’t fit.


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[bigrod]

12 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

This, we need to recruit to our needs. Regardless of stars, the kid needs to play hard whether he’s starting or coming off the bench. A culture needs to be reestablished quick, fast, and in a hurry. We don’t have that so it doesn’t matter what talent we bring in it won’t fit.


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Exactly - we need foundation players. We need guys that are here for 3-4 years and want to get IU back without worrying so much about their own draft status.

It's easy to look at Oladipo and say we want a roster of those guys, but a little harder to know who those guys are. He had the physical tools, but worked his butt off to get his skills where they needed to be, all in the context of the team. He was a rare guy who could showboat a little, but you never felt like he was trying to hog the attention or take anything away from his teammates.

But you also have guys with a lot of skill with maybe not all of the physical tools. Many times those guys play with passion and a chip on their shoulder that you don't get from the higher ranked players.

[ebridges24]

37 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

This, we need to recruit to our needs. Regardless of stars, the kid needs to play hard whether he’s starting or coming off the bench. A culture needs to be reestablished quick, fast, and in a hurry. We don’t have that so it doesn’t matter what talent we bring in it won’t fit.


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don't forget, speedily, asap, real soon and stat. lol

[ap2345]

He very well could. I would be surprised if he goes to IU. I think he is Memphis or Alabama bound. Also think we have a decent shot with Quinones. He can flat out shoot. 

I agree I don’t think we have a great shot with Watford but don’t forget that Watford and Quinones have discussed playing together in college.


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