2019 General Recruiting Thread

[RaceToTheTop]

43 minutes ago, Capt. Crimson said:

 

It’s Grant Gelon!!! lol


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I just forgot a comma.  Gelon, Grant.  :)

[AKHoosier]

21 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

If the staff thinks he can help then who cares.
Do you think Bennett gave a crap that when Kihei Clark decommitted from UC-Davis that Virginia fans were mad when he offered a 5’9 393 ranked kid? Probably not he thought he could help his program win. Worked out pretty nicely for Bennett since Clark make the biggest play in recent Virginia basketball history. Not bad for a 5’9 393 ranked freshman


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Ah, this old argument.  I suppose all of our 3 stars have turned out like Victor Oladipo and OG Anunoby too.

If you want to find evidence of a low-ranked kid making a big impact, I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples to support your case.  But I can find twice as many players who were ranked right around where Kihei Clark was that never made any sort of impact at the high major level. 

I know it's fun to sh1t all over rankings, but face it, they are right more often than not.

[JaybobHoosier]

Thanks guys for the updates, look like possible good gets in the transfer pool.


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[Alford Bailey]

Looks like grad transfers are becoming just as competitive as 5 star recruits.

[DChoosier]

35 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Ah, this old argument.  I suppose all of our 3 stars have turned out like Victor Oladipo and OG Anunoby too.

If you want to find evidence of a low-ranked kid making a big impact, I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples to support your case.  But I can find twice as many players who were ranked right around where Kihei Clark was that never made any sort of impact at the high major level. 

I know it's fun to sh1t all over rankings, but face it, they are right more often than not.

I agree.

Maybe we should pull TJD’s offer and go after Evansville Bosse’s back-up center...LOL

[Bailey7878]

Ah, this old argument.  I suppose all of our 3 stars have turned out like Victor Oladipo and OG Anunoby too.
If you want to find evidence of a low-ranked kid making a big impact, I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples to support your case.  But I can find twice as many players who were ranked right around where Kihei Clark was that never made any sort of impact at the high major level. 
I know it's fun to sh1t all over rankings, but face it, they are right more often than not.

Very true. Usually why kentucky and Duke win 30 games plus each year. Crean was probably about 2 for 10 of his diamonds in the rough or worse.

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[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I agree.

Maybe we should pull TJD’s offer and go after Evansville Bosse’s back-up center...LOL

Obviously we would prefer high rated recruits.....but there aren't many left out there for 2019 and assuming just Romeo is the final player that leaves, we have two schollys open.  

[Uspshoosier]

Ah, this old argument.  I suppose all of our 3 stars have turned out like Victor Oladipo and OG Anunoby too.
If you want to find evidence of a low-ranked kid making a big impact, I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples to support your case.  But I can find twice as many players who were ranked right around where Kihei Clark was that never made any sort of impact at the high major level. 
I know it's fun to sh1t all over rankings, but face it, they are right more often than not.

I don’t care how often they are right. Face it plenty of quality players outside the top 100 that contribute to high major, mid major, and low major teams. I have no problem with the ranking and scouting services, I actually go to these recruiting events and talk rankings and recruits with most of them. I also know its impossible for these people to see all these kids play and they know it as well. So many more under ranked kids make an impact for their schools then most want to acknowledge. 353 D-1 schools and only 100 top kids each year. That leaves a lot of playing time for “3 stars” to make an impact for their schools. Luckily coaches recruit whoever they want despite the noise from keyboard experts that knows whats best.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Looks like grad transfers are becoming just as competitive as 5 star recruits.

As one season loaners and much better understood talents, you could argue they’re more valuable in some situations.


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[Old Friend]

Here's the problem with rankings.   They don't measure anything...not one thing that measures how a kid will fit into a college program or team; how hard he'll work; or how coachable he is.   Rankings are based largely on AAU performance and on high school stats.  

Wanna' know how unreliable rankings are?  In one rankings system, Zion Williamson was the #5 ranked player in the 2018 high school class.  Romeo Langford was #6.    There may be no bigger gap this side of the Grand Canyon than 5 to 6 in that system.   Same system?  Phinisee was unranked until March of last season and ended #131 or something.  

Texas Tech has not a single top 100 kid on the team.   Not one 2018 top 100 kid will see minutes in this year's final four.   But you know who will?  Great team mates.  Great defenders.  Complete players.  Champions.  Auburn won the SEC tournament.  MSU won the Big Ten tournament and regular season championship. Texas Tech won the regular season Big 12 Championship.  Virginia won the ACC regular season championship.    There are high profile recruits here and there; but the top ranked kids who were playing in last season's McD's all American game?   Watching on TV.

Rankings are also based on measurables.  How high can a kid jump?  How well he can shoot.  His length.  Not one thing measures how a kid will succeed as a college player outside of raw athletic ability; and I'm watching how the college game is played now?   With screening and cutting at a premium and shooting even MORE at a premium; and team defense/taking away transition the most likely indicator of success?    I just don't see the top rated players succeeding in a game that requires such a "team" concept.   I want talent; but give me program kids who know how to play the game of basketball; not just the sport.

[Geometry Hoosier]

The projected number two pick in this years draft was an unranked 2star coming out of high school.


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[8bucks]

Ranking does not matter nearly as much as getting the kids you target. Franklin for example looks to be a good pick up and even though his ranking is lower he was someone that the staff targeted and went after. Same with Rob.

Many of the 2019 kids were have been talking about the last couple of days were not kids we targeted but kids we are going after now that targeted kids have said no. It is harder to get excited about them or feel their rankings don’t matter

Hopefully we can pick up the grad transfers we target - our first choices.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

10 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

Looks like grad transfers are becoming just as competitive as 5 star recruits.

The obvious is they've had multiple years of far more competitive basketball than what most freshmen face in their high school careers.  Also, they've dealt with the transition from being the high school star to a role player, dealt with the higher intensity of coaching, learned to balance basketball with their studies and learned to balance their basketball life with their college social life.  MATURITY!

[Walking Boot of Doom]

The rankings are reliable, but as the class becomes upperclassmen player development and a lot of the unmeasurables help even the playing field. Rankings just say, in high school, this kid was ranked X mostly based on past performance.

You can find good players ranked poorly, but it’s on the coach to develop them into that contributing player like the ones we see in this year’s Final Four.


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[Capt. Crimson]

6 hours ago, Geometry Hoosier said:

The projected number two pick in this years draft was an unranked 2star coming out of high school.

 

 

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Find it kind of funny that Darius Garland is being projected one higher than Romeo and didn’t even play this year. Kind of makes playing in college seem meaningless for these top recruits. [emoji6]

 

 

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[rcbowla]

 
Find it kind of funny that Darius Garland is being projected one higher than Romeo and didn’t even play this year. Kind of makes playing in college seem meaningless for these top recruits. [emoji6]
 
 
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He played. Not much at all but he did play.

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[Capt. Crimson]

Just now, rcs29 said:

He played. Not much at all but he did play.

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Out in November... does that even count? haha

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Lots of discussion regarding player rankings coming out of high school and today this from Rick Bozich.  His lead sentences:  "This is the Final Four that will make you wonder why you obsess over recruiting rankings.  My dog Ruby could have done a better job guessing on the evaluation on many guys who will play in Minneapolis this weekend."

Recruiting gurus whiffed on this Final Four

https://www.wdrb.com/sports/bozich-recruiting-gurus-whiffed-on-this-final-four/article_00d25da6-5548-11e9-b941-87d16de55b01.html

[Bailey7878]

The projected number two pick in this years draft was an unranked 2star coming out of high school.


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That is true but that is pretty rare. Usually its the top ranked guys being drafted high.

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[IU Lew]

Just joined in.

Here are 4 names I am watching. 

Recruits: 

Trenton Watford 5*. #14.  6’ 9” SF                              Matthew Hurt      5*  #  8   6’ 9” PF                   

Tranfers :                                                           Joey Brunk            4*           6’ 11” C               Bryce Moore         4*?          6’  2” SG             Both of these transfers are from Indiana and Bryce is a lock down defender who scored 9.8 points a game and was a good 3 point shooter for Butler 2 yrs ago. He was injured last year and didn’t play.  

Lew IU