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Lander may or may not end up in Bloomington. But your analysis strikes me as off. Phinisee and Lander would have exactly zero problem playing together defensively, unless you think that Lander is just going to be a disinterested defender. But he’s already a long 6’3”, and apparently still growing, with flat out elite movement skills. Neither he nor Phinisee is defensively system limited in any way. I would foresee a Sr Phinisee/Fr Lander backcourt providing exceptional ball pressure and being highly disruptive creating turnovers and pushing pace. And any moron could scheme them offensively. If he ends up elsewhere, he ends up elsewhere. But system and personnel fit don’t strike me as the slightest issues.

You all know who we really should’ve started at QB, or at least should think about in ‘21.....Luke Brown! Amiright? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Trey in Bloomington this weekend

Fair enough. 2 very terse questions followed by IMO a defensive (can't think of a better word) response to my post that was totally made in jest. I'm not a debater on btb but consider myself a provider of info for everyone else with an occasional (albeit weak) attempt at a little humor. I probably read 99% of what is posted on btb and follow the debaters and their differing points of view and will readily 'Like' the opinions that I agree with. Oftentimes I am in agreement with the message in your posts but man, sometimes your delivery could use a little work. I guess it's the fundamental problem of trying to decipher intent and meaning of written communication vs. face-to-face communication.

Fire Glass (sorry, had to! I’ll show myself out) Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

Guys...but we had an awesome St. Elmo’s shrimp eating contest today during the game. It was so awesome that it ran past it’s time, players were on the field and they were scrambling to get it cleaned up before the ball was snapped. Fred is crushing game day experience! It was comical...players were yelling for them to get off the field.

It really is. We’ve cheaped out in just about everything we’ve done sans the basketball recruiting budget. If leadership had the same attention to detail and desire to win as the fans we would be in a lot better place. Slapping lipstick on a pig apparently is enough to appease some here Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I believe he received a PWO on his visit and if he’s a take, he’s a take as a PWO.

Would we have lost by the same score? I doubt it. You are changing an outcome good or bad. Would we have won? No. We were playing a team that very likely will be in the college playoffs. That’s why I have zero clue why we all are so up in arms? It’s Ohio State in 2019. It’s not a down year for them. They are as strong as ever and we are pissed we got smoked by them. If it’s Penn State this year I get it. I am just confused as to what people really expected to have this much activity in this thread after the game and the Fire Glass thread. We got smoked by a potential national title team. Nothing more and nothing less to me. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

No, I haven't seen him and I know very little about him. I'm just having a little fun on a gloomy Sunday. Didn't expect an overreaction to my lol post.

jbell: “I think Penix is good, is better than Ramsey, and has the potential to be really good.” Others: So jbell, you’re saying he’s the savior and is the LeBron James of football. jbell: “sigh”

Looks like Vinny will be announcing his retirement tomorrow. Amazing career and future hall of famer no doubt, just wish the retirement had come under different circumstances. Interested to see who the Colts bring in. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Uh oh. I'm sensing that Charlie Spegal is about to become Luke Brown in football recruiting discussions. lol

You might be onto something here... In the six seasons before Brown arrived at Blackford, their football teams went 1-9, 0-10, 1-9, 3-7, 0-10 and 1-10. Since then, they've gone 5-6, followed by 8-4, and are 3-1 right now. Get him in the stands as an IU basketball player and I guarantee we're gonna do something crazy, like accidentally beat the crap out of Michigan. He's that good!

Fall softball doubleheader starting at 1:15 this afternoon at Grand Park in Westfield. Looks like Twitter will be the primary source of info for today's games.

A lot of cheap work was done in these renovations. If the goal was to renovate for the sake of checking a box these were successful. If the goal was to build state of the art facilities that set the bar and were built to last, we failed miserably. Drop ceilings have become the not so funny running joke for some but the list is endless when looking at things that were put into these or in some cases not put in that is disappointing Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Its funny to me that no matter what’s going on in any sport they worry about IU. Like UNC doesn’t even worry about Duke that much. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

To be fair, it was probably more entertaining than the game.. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app

Yup- that’s for sure. A 30 year old Tom Brady wouldn’t have gotten us within two touchdowns today.

@charliespegal32: Had a great game day visit to Indiana University! Thanks @MHart2032 for the invite!

IU Volleyball taking on #15 ranked Kentucky today in the Bluegrass Battle in Lexington, KY. Kentucky takes the first set 25-16; Hoosiers win the 2nd set 25-22 but Kentucky takes the 3rd set 25-22. Lady Hoosiers take the 4th set 25-20 and we're in set #5.

I would not pass on a highly serviceable PG right now to maybe get Lander. All the big names will be involved with this recruitment so things could change quickly even if we are the perceived leader. He will play if he decides to join IU.

I call it BS. I know it’s getting old. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Hunter was there 4 most of the time. Clark started 20 games and played the 4th most minutes on the team. Clark, Guy, and Jerome played together far more than they didn’t. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Well if Lander gets to 6’3 they can play in the pack line together. Virginia for example played a 5’9 guard and a 6’3 guard together all season long and I think their season turned out all right. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

We will go through a ton of up and down gyrations all season (we were close, we looked pretty good, too bad so and so is hurt, we are young, one more play, that was a good win, can’t believe we lost to them, etc etc) but at the end of the year it will result in 5-7 yet again.

Is it too much to ask to have a football program on par with Iowa or Nothwestern? Seems like we are light years away from even that expectation.

Why do you think Archie is spending so much time and prioritizing him then? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

At the half, IU with a 1-0 lead. IU with 3 shots; 1 on goal and 1 corner. Kentucky with 2,1 & 2 respectively.

Lady Hoosiers strike first in 17' on a goal by Melanie Forbes from an assist by Chandra Davidson. CORRECTION: Avery Lockwood has been credited with the assist on the Forbes goal.

Ohio State is always great. We haven't looked that hopeless against them in awhile. Last year we were up 17-14 with 5 minutes to go in the second quarter, and were only down 8 at halftime. The year before we went up 21-20 with 5 minutes left in the third quarter. In 2016 we cut it to a one touchdown game until there was 3:38 left in the third quarter. In 2015 OSU was #1 in the country and we lost by 7 and had it in the red zone with a chance to tie it up on the last play of the game (with Zander Diamont as our quarterback). Recently we have kept it close for 2-2.5 quarters before Ohio State pulls away. Yesterday, however, we were completely outclassed from the beginning. That's why it was so concerning to me.

Josh, you are coming to a random message board to compare someone to your ex-girlfriend for a post three weeks after they posted it. I think that would qualify as “strange”. But I can definitely empathize with her breaking up with you. I wouldn’t be able to deal with you either. So I guess in that sense I am like your ex girlfriend if that’s what you were aiming for? I wasn’t trying to take it to that degree but I have no clue where you are trying to go with all of this other than pick a fight. If that makes me strange then I don’t want to be right I guess? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I agree. He is really good. I said this myself after I watched him his freshmen year at Delta. He’ll be a really good player for whoever decides to pull the trigger on an offer. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I’m with you on this thought. I believe with the transfer portal you get the best players now and continue to recruit the Lander type players for later. Chances are there would be room.

Unfortunately, those who picked IU picked poorly. @Old Friend won the week with 112 pts, no one picked 51 for O$U or a paltry 10 for IU. From hereon forward, the lowest 2 scores will be taken off your total which makes for a strange looking overall leaderboard this week. Basically, its your single best score in the 1st 3 games. Overall Week 3 Rank 2019 IUFB Points Rank IU/Ohio St Points 1 LamarCheeks 132 1 Old Friend 112 2 Iusafety 132 2 Jhoosier914 110 3 Jhoosier914 128 3 biteoftheapple 109 4 Brass Cannon 128 4 MemphisHoosier 109 5 IUc2016 124 5 Napleshoosier 108 6 The Ola Depot 124 6 fwgreenway 107 7 biteoftheapple 119 7 DChoosier 105 8 jbell833 118 8 Iusafety 105 9 HoosierAloha 117 9 LamarCheeks 105 10 fwgreenway 115 10 VPC 105 11 brumdog45 115 11 LIHoosier 102 12 VO5 114 12 WayneFleekHoosier 102 13 johnsoniu 114 13 VO5 101 14 mamasa 114 14 JaybobHoosier 98 15 WayneFleekHoosier 114 15 johnsoniu 98 16 ThompsonHoosier 114 16 rcs29 98 17 ap2345 114 17 ThompsonHoosier 98 18 Naturalhoosier 113 18 The Ola Depot 97 19 LIHoosier 112 19 Hardwood83 95 20 VPC 112 20 IUc2016 95 21 lucel15 112 21 BtownBanner6 94 22 Old Friend 112 22 Naturalhoosier 94 23 thebigweave 111 23 wirenuts 33 24 JaybobHoosier 110 24 jbell833 31 25 MemphisHoosier 110 25 mamasa 31 26 Me So Hornsby 110 26 thebigweave 27 27 BabyJandJDaddy 108 27 lucel15 20 28 BtownBanner6 108 29 rcs29 108 30 Napleshoosier 108 31 Dchoosier 105 32 bigrod 95 33 Hardwood83 95 34 wirenuts 33

Lady Hoosiers (3-3-0) are in Lexington, KY this afternoon for a 2:00 match with the Kentucky Wildcats (5-0-2) which will wrap up the non-conference portion of this year's schedule. Live Stats

'The Almighty Purdue'* trails TCU 34-6 with 5:45 left, so we got that going for us. *copyright Greggggggg Purdoyle

Well that’s different; with those two quotes you’re BOTH right.

LOL Sparty. That was pretty bad.

MSU couldn't make their mind up whether to try a regular play or go for the FG with :11 left so they ended up having 12 men on the field as the tying FG went through. Then the next kick was hooked by a mile. Using 2 timeouts on a defensive 4th down didn't help either for that last drive. 'You PLAY to WIN the GAME'

Me: "He's almost a complete unknown against legitimate competition." jbell: "LeBron James coming out of high school was a complete unknown against NBA teams yet still was seen as the future of the NBA based on the games he played in high school."

Yes you are. There are....2-3 of you who can't seem to accept reality from what you wish for. 5-7 is not a really bad product. 52-0 and 34-24 is not a really bad product. Today, we were completely out classed. I saw it as well as you did, but we're not comparing ourselves to Ohio State...you said so yourself. You're asking for 1-2 more wins a year if I understand you right. So we go from "really bad" to what you wish for with 1 win? A better performance against Purdue or Minnesota last year, and we're all good, right? I have not defended and will not defend Tom Allen. You don't have to put words in my mouth. Recruiting classes are now consistently in the top 40; and honestly? I think Indiana is a top 40 program as it relates to talent. If Indiana were in the Big 12 or ACC? Different outcome. In the Big Ten East? We are what we are. So again, help me understand why I'm missing the point by saying you're comparing Indiana to Ohio State. There are 3 programs in the Big Ten that basically start every season 0-3. Indiana has been better than the other two. Our facilities still lag behind whose? Overall...basketball and football (and you do have to combine them), who are we behind? It's not the majority of our conference. I know for sure we have better facilities in total than Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Rutgers, Minnesota, and Iowa. I'm not sure about Maryland. Michigan, OSU, and Penn State sell close to 700,000 football tickets a year and have revenue streams we don't have. It's not an arms race, but resources are different. Why throw the lion's share of your money behind football for the sake of 1 more win? The available funds are FAR better spent for the men's basketball program, and I know you understand the economics of that. Indiana University Sports Properties is still top 10 in the country if not top 5; and it's 97% because of men's basketball. That's the program that drives our bus, and wishing that weren't true won't change it. You want to hire a new coach? Fine. If Indiana goes 5-7 or worse again, I wouldn't argue. What I WOULD argue is who we can get. Not many high level coaches will come to a program whose ceiling is 4th in its own division. Not any coach who'd stay, anyway. Because....unless you really ARE saying Indiana can consistently beat the "big 3," that's our reality. What you want is one more win against a western division team which we didn't get a year ago, and Purdue did....so you're jealous? Angry? Whatever it is.....you have to be realistic, and you have to understand the whole of Indiana's athletic situation. Not acknowledging that on your part does not equal missing the point on my part.

Michael Penix has played 1 career game against a Power 5 opponent and he went 9-19 for 94 yards. We do not know what he can do against actual competition. Stop acting like he's Michael Vick.

Recruiting classss continue to improve and yet 1) we're still outrecruited by most other conference teams and 2) the defense continues to regress. Did you watch the defense? It looked horrible against both Ball State and Ohio State. Allen was hired because Glass didn't want to lose his defensive coaching abilities, and yet we've gotten worse since he started. Our facilities also still lag behind the majority of other schools in our conference. We're not complaining for the sake of complaining. We're complaining because IU is putting a really bad product on the field and we want that to change. Did you see the pregame video of Coach Allen? It was honestly embarrassing to watch. Embarrassing on the field and off.

Not saying that we are trending in the right direction but Wilson’s bowl teams both had 6-6 records but he partially lucked out in that Purdue was historically putrid when Hazel coached them. I enjoyed Wilson’s “asterisk wins”, when he stayed close to OSU and Michigan, but he really didn’t beat any good or even average conference teams during his two bowl years as seen below. 6-6.....2-6 in conference (beat Maryland 1-7 in conf and Purdue 1-7) 6-6....4-5 in conference (MSU 1-8, Maryland 3-6, Rutgers 0-9, Purdue 1-9). Been watching this for a lot of decades and not sure if there is a solution (as OF frequently posts, we are f’d in this division). Maybe Allen should kick bigger trash cans??

Only 5 people can play at a time. Every time you recruit someone, there is potential for another player to lose minutes. Lander is probably good enough (or feels like he is good enough) that he is probably more worried about there being enough good players around him to win then worried about sitting the bench.

C'mon boys. The argument stops here. It's the DROP CEILINGS.

Look, it sounds good for IU to say that they care about all the sports programs, but we both know that basketball and football are the ones that really matter. Sure, Glass's job is to oversee all the programs, but in reality those two are the ones that matter. You seem to acknowledge that when you say that this will all be forgotten when IU is good at basketball again. How can you say 7-5 and consistent bowling is possible without spending money when we've almost never done it? I'm 25 years old. IU has won 7 games one time during my lifetime and gone to 3 bowl games. What we've been doing hasn't worked.

The football team shares the weight room with a bunch of the other teams. Others have pointed out that that's something coaches use against us in recruiting. The facilities are brand new and they still lag behind other Big Ten teams' facilities. And why did it take until 2019 to give them a new locker room? We were out building all these facilities for non-revenue generating sports and seemingly left football and basketball for last.

Tom Ostrom was in Sellersburg to see Kaufman yesterday ahead of weekend Jr OV.