College Bball Thread

[str8baller]

6 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

106 years. What an amazing life. 

RIP, Sister Jean ... 

One of the more unlikely college basketball “celebrities “ I can remember. 106 years is a long life! For reference she would have been an adult already for IU and Branch McCracken’s FIRST title team. In fact, she was only about 10 yrs younger than Branch. 

[Demo]

St Louis blows away Iowa in a scrimmage game at SLU today by 25. Apparently put up a hundred. Definitely more of a Schertz game than a McCollum game.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

St Louis blows away Iowa in a scrimmage game at SLU today by 25. Apparently put up a hundred. Definitely more of a Schertz game than a McCollum game.

Hmmm. Trying not to read too much into this one.


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[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

St Louis blows away Iowa in a scrimmage game at SLU today by 25. Apparently put up a hundred. Definitely more of a Schertz game than a McCollum game.

I’m sure this stat is out there…I wonder what their record was against each other in their D2 days.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

14 hours ago, Demo said:

St Louis blows away Iowa in a scrimmage game at SLU today by 25. Apparently put up a hundred. Definitely more of a Schertz game than a McCollum game.

One brief summary I saw.

Double digit win.  McCollum played lots of different lineups and put players in different positions.  Iowa's center did not play due to a hamstring injury.  Iowa 20 TOs.

[Uspshoosier]

https://kenpom.com/
 

IU starts out 40th.   
 

Last time IU finished top 25 in KenPom in a season was 2016.   

[Brass Cannon]

There’s always a lot of movement to start the season. Usually we fall off dramatically as other teams move up to take our spot. Hopefully that has changed 

[Stuhoo]

52 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

One brief summary I saw.

Double digit win.  McCollum played lots of different lineups and put players in different positions.  Iowa's center did not play due to a hamstring injury.  Iowa 20 TOs.

Didn’t think a McCollum team could play with enough tempo to commit 20 turnovers. Sheets must’ve really managed to speed them up.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://kenpom.com/
 

IU starts out 40th.   
 

Last time IU finished top 25 in KenPom in a season was 2016.   

Not ideal imo.  But you gotta start somewhere.   
 

DeVries and Admin have done well to lower the expectations on the season. 
 
Bar is back to making NCAAs.  I like DeVries.  I think he quietly super competitive.  He says in interviews, make the tournament and anything can happen. 
 

Well, that’s not entirely true.  Definitely a cut off from the contenders to the bottom tournament teams.  

Most projections put us just within or on the bubble.  Curious how patient the fanbase remains.  Football has lulled the fanbase into a sense of euphoria.  lol.  
 

I do think making the tournament as the bar is fair but the expectations need to be higher and quickly.  

[Stuhoo]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not ideal imo.  But you gotta start somewhere.   
 

DeVries and Admin have done well to lower the expectations on the season. 
 
Bar is back to making NCAAs.  I like DeVries.  I think he quietly super competitive.  He says in interviews, make the tournament and anything can happen. 
 

Well, that’s not entirely true.  Definitely a cut off from the contenders to the bottom tournament teams.  

Most projections put us just within or on the bubble.  Curious how patient the fanbase remains.  Football has lulled the fanbase into a sense of euphoria.  lol.  
 

I do think making the tournament as the bar is fair but the expectations need to be higher and quickly.  

With football rocking, the pressure on Devries will be significantly less.

[8bucks]

42 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

With football rocking, the pressure on Devries will be significantly less.

Does he lose some % of the NIL/Revenue share pot?   I would think so which could make it interesting if we can’t land kids to compete at the top of the conference let alone country 

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Does he lose some % of the NIL/Revenue share pot?   I would think so which could make it interesting if we can’t land kids to compete at the top of the conference let alone country 

It’s a much bigger pot, but yes

[JimmerNoe]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s a much bigger pot, but yes

Would think it’s a rising tide that lifts all boats scenario though. Massive influx of revenue  and interest in the Indiana athletics pot because of football would probably offset a slightly lower percentage of the pot.

[Uspshoosier]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not ideal imo.  But you gotta start somewhere

Probably starting higher at 40 than the program has finished most years in the last decade.  Admin and DeVries don’t need to lower expectations for a program that hasn’t had back to back winning conference records in over a decade.  Program is what it is.  IU isn’t at the top of the food chain (or anywhere near it) in college basketball.  Program is going to have to grind to get to where some fans extremely high expectations are for a program with absolute crap on court results over the last 10 plus years.   

[Uspshoosier]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Well, that’s not entirely true.  Definitely a cut off from the contenders to the bottom tournament teams.  

Plenty of examples of teams that were not contenders making a final 4 run.   Thats why coaches say anything can happen.    NC State wasn’t a contender a couple a years ago but got hot and found their way into the tourney and beat several contender team on route to a final 4 

[Josh]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Probably starting higher at 40 than the program has finished most years in the last decade.  Admin and DeVries don’t need to lower expectations for a program that hasn’t had back to back winning conference records in over a decade.  Program is what it is.  IU isn’t at the top of the food chain (or anywhere near it) in college basketball.  Program is going to have to grind to get to where some fans extremely high expectations are for a program with absolute crap on court results over the last 10 plus years.   

This is pre-NIL thinking.  We should expect top 10 results with top 10 resources in today's college basketball landscape.  

Why should Archie Miller and Mike Woodson results impact our future expectations?

[Uspshoosier]

26 minutes ago, Josh said:

Why should Archie Miller and Mike Woodson results impact our future expectations?

It shouldn’t but the program still will have to grind and win to flip the narrative for this program which struggles were well before those 2 coaches.   Even with a top 15-20 NIL they are going to have to show improved on court results and grind to get back in the conversation despite where fans think they should be slotted in the college basketball world 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

This is pre-NIL thinking.  We should expect top 10 results with top 10 resources in today's college basketball landscape.  

Why should Archie Miller and Mike Woodson results impact our future expectations?

He’s just saying DeVries and staff will have to grind — and they will in year 1.
He came into the trash pile that Woodson left, and built what looks like a pretty solid team, but obviously that’s in short order and the objective is to bring in elite players in recruiting and the portal. 
that’s not pre-NIL thinking, it’s immediate post-Woodson thinking. Woodson and Buckner f’d up the program. I’m not one who buys into the we-should-be-immediately-elite just because there’s NIL. It’s a complete re-build, every player. Perfectly “realistic@ to think it’ll take a couple years or so

[WayneFleekHoosier]

This is pre-NIL thinking.  We should expect top 10 results with top 10 resources in today's college basketball landscape.  
Why should Archie Miller and Mike Woodson results impact our future expectations?

Without question. Expectations were high for Woody when we had top 10 resources. But now the program is broken and needs rebuilding time again.

I can understand not dogpiling a 1st year coach, and we won’t, but expectations should be higher.

Now granted. Resources aren’t top 10 anymore. We might have had 2 years of being 5-10. We are down now. Maybe 15, maybe 20. Who knows. Lots of schools have really embraced NIL after our head start.
I think we are probably on that top 20-30 resources still with potential to go up if we are willing to outsmart the system, which I’m not counting on.


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[Uspshoosier]

20 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Expectations were high for Woody when we had top 10 resources

Depends who you talked to.  Having high expectations with a coach that had 0 college basketball coaching experience before he stepped foot on campus would be a major risk in a lot of people’s opinion even with top 10 resources.   Not sure the optics of the national media and other coaches in the college basketball world  had high expectations for IU.   Other coaches were pleading for IU to keep him as long as possible.  Izzo comes to mind fighting for Woody to stay.  Wonder why