How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[LamarCheeks]

If I could never, never, never, never, never, never, never have to read something on a fan site ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever again, it would be this ... 

I wrote (insert what you wrote here) back in (insert when you wrote it), and I got crucified for it. 

No -- you did not f-cking get crucified for it. 

[TheWatShot]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Between IUBB and IUWBB, we must be being punished with the reciprocity of happiness with IUFB.  
 

Basketball is down bad.  
 

Football is Cloud 9.  
 

I think I need to find an alternate basketball team I can have emotions about.  (I can’t)

It's just such a weird place right now. 

 

The women's program has a 12th year coach who's lost her fastball. The men's program has a first year coach saying things a coach shouldn't be saying in January. And the football team has a game in 2 days. 

[newcastle12]

32 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

It's just such a weird place right now. 

 

The women's program has a 12th year coach who's lost her fastball. The men's program has a first year coach saying things a coach shouldn't be saying in January. And the football team has a game in 2 days. 

The Women's team is getting killed by a lack of any kind of NIL support.  Left behind in the Big 10.  

[Rico]

[JSHoosier]

9 hours ago, bigrod said:

The only thing that makes this better is May and Michigan rubbing our noses in what could have been if we hadn't sat on our hands for that bonus Woodson season. 

We couldn't fire Woodson after 3 years, people might make the mistake of thinking this is a serious program.

[JSHoosier]

6 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

It's just such a weird place right now. 

 

The women's program has a 12th year coach who's lost her fastball. The men's program has a first year coach saying things a coach shouldn't be saying in January. And the football team has a game in 2 days. 

Bizarro world. IUBB has turned into the Washington Generals, IUFB looks like a powerhouse and playing for a national title.

[Kentuckysucks]

10 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I'm not on the "fire him" bus yet, however I got crucified here for saying I wanted McCollum....  He is ready for the Big stage.  DeVries so far looks and sounds completely like he's be more comfortable coaching at Wheeling West Side High School.   Today, he said his team is "fatigued."  They have played 3 games in 3 weeks.  And they're "fatigued."  He also said they're not buying into his offense.  HUGE problem.

His son is incredibly lazy and generally careless; he successfully recruited not one single "physical" player or anyone with upper body strength.  We have no size.  We appear to have no idea how to get a good shot when needed and settle for bad ones.   I mean 20 for 52 on your home floor is embarrassing.   Woodson was awful, and I am very glad he's gone.  But this is almost worse because he said the right things and now just looks baffled.  

Definitely getting a lot of Archie vibes with DeVries.  The concern when hired from pundits like the Field of 68 was did he have the right personality for a pressure cooker gig.  I think we're learning that the answer is no.  Amazing that the administration keeps making the same mistakes.  And yes, almost everyone wanted McCollum. 

[LamarCheeks]

I still wonder how losing the entire team went down. How much effort or interest did he have in trying to keep Reneau, Bako, Tucker, Rice, Carlyle, Newton? How much interest -- if any -- did they have in staying? 

Not that any of those guys are superstars, but we knew them -- so to speak. I think it would've been helpful to try to retain at least a couple of those dudes. It's very difficult to get excited about a bunch of guys who appeared out of nowhere and will disappear back into nowhere after the season.

Granted, if we were 15-3 instead of 12-6 -- it'd probably be a little different story. But in years past, it would tick me off a little if we lost. I wouldn't be punching-the-wall upset, but I'd be mildly pissed. With this team, after a loss -- I'm kinda like "meh, so what."

I know people weren't crazy about Rice. TBH, I wasn't either -- he had his faults and isn't getting much run at Maryland now. But I'd rather have him running the point than Enright. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I still wonder how losing the entire team went down. How much effort or interest did he have in trying to keep Reneau, Bako, Tucker, Rice, Carlyle, Newton? How much interest -- if any -- did they have in staying? 

Not that any of those guys are superstars, but we knew them -- so to speak. I think it would've been helpful to try to retain at least a couple of those dudes. It's very difficult to get excited about a bunch of guys who appeared out of nowhere and will disappear back into nowhere after the season.

Granted, if we were 15-3 instead of 12-6 -- it'd probably be a little different story. But in years past, it would tick me off a little if we lost. I wouldn't be punching-the-wall upset, but I'd be mildly pissed. With this team, after a loss -- I'm kinda like "meh, so what."

I know people weren't crazy about Rice. TBH, I wasn't either -- he had his faults and isn't getting much run at Maryland now. But I'd rather have him running the point than Enright. 

From a basketball standpoint, the only players from that team I would have talked to, were Reneau, Goode, Mgbako, and Tucker.  
 

Rice lost his mojo at Indiana.  Kinda odd. I don’t understand how he was so effective at Washington State. 
 

wilkerson was a 2 to 2.5 million dollar player.  If we had a PG equivalent of him and a center equivalent of him we wouldn’t have this thread going.  

Baba Miller was available late. We didn’t want to spend for him.  He’s not exactly what we need, but he was an option very late we didn’t have the resources for.  
 

Finanically the biggest issues were Bailey and the 5 contracts that ride the bench that offer us nothing that may not even be back next year.  So much waste.  
 

 

[pumpfake]

11 hours ago, Old Friend said:

......

  DeVries so far looks and sounds completely like he's be more comfortable coaching at Wheeling West Side High School.   Today, he said his team is "fatigued."  They have played 3 games in 3 weeks.  And they're "fatigued."  He also said they're not buying into his offense.  HUGE problem.

.....

Good God! This is NOT encouraging. This suggests that either the roster assembly is TOTAL garbage or the coach can't lead.

Others have questioned why no player other than junior followed him here, sounds like perhaps he isn't held in high regard by his players. Yeesh!

[HinnyHoosier]

12 hours ago, Josh said:

I missed it.  What schools did you tell us fired coaches too early and now can't find a good coach?

It will be INDIANA, because even though it's a mess, it's one that can still get worse. 

By the way, you never told me who you would hire right now that checks all the Josh boxes, is available, wants this horrific job in place of a better situation they're already in (otherwise we wouldn't be begging them), and how we pay for it without digging a financial hole next to our PR hole.

By all means, feel free to elaborate. You're always the first to complain around here but one of the last to offer a truly realistic solution. So for a high profile athletic program and the human being put on the hot seat as soon as he says 'yes', offer something that works right now, or even on your March 8th timeline.

There are two ways to make a bad situation worse: stay in it too long, which we have accomplished ad nauseum, or have an absolute freak out when magic doesn't occur 18 games in and set things on fire mid-tantrum. You are #2. No one around here is asking for him to get a 4 year cycle. No one. Just because I don't see value in firing him year 1 doesn't equate to seeing value in keeping him 4+ years. Honestly if he doesn't produce notable improvement in a second year, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable.

'But we aren't seeeererious!!!' if we keep a coach longer than a year, right? A program can convince themselves they're serious on the inside and still look like (and BE) a dumpster fire to everyone else at the same time. 

[reconmkd]

10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Between IUBB and IUWBB, we must be being punished with the reciprocity of happiness with IUFB.  
 

Basketball is down bad.  
 

Football is Cloud 9.  
 

I think I need to find an alternate basketball team I can have emotions about.  (I can’t)

My alternate team (Oregon State, alum) sucks this year too! 

[Josh]

37 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

It will be INDIANA, because even though it's a mess, it's one that can still get worse. 

By the way, you never told me who you would hire right now that checks all the Josh boxes, is available, wants this horrific job in place of a better situation they're already in (otherwise we wouldn't be begging them), and how we pay for it without digging a financial hole next to our PR hole.

By all means, feel free to elaborate. You're always the first to complain around here but one of the last to offer a truly realistic solution. So for a high profile athletic program and the human being put on the hot seat as soon as he says 'yes', offer something that works right now, or even on your March 8th timeline.

There are two ways to make a bad situation worse: stay in it too long, which we have accomplished ad nauseum, or have an absolute freak out when magic doesn't occur 18 games in and set things on fire mid-tantrum. You are #2. No one around here is asking for him to get a 4 year cycle. No one. Just because I don't see value in firing him year 1 doesn't equate to seeing value in keeping him 4+ years. Honestly if he doesn't produce notable improvement in a second year, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable.

'But we aren't seeeererious!!!' if we keep a coach longer than a year, right? A program can convince themselves they're serious on the inside and still look like (and BE) a dumpster fire to everyone else at the same time. 

Soooo your evidence for your theory is the theory itself.  Omg that's precious.

Honestly I haven't looked at who I would hire at this time.  But I don't allow fear of the unknown to scare me into staying put when the current situation is embarrassingly bad.  I keep working and trying to fix situations until you get what works.  

[Golfman25]

52 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

It will be INDIANA, because even though it's a mess, it's one that can still get worse. 

By the way, you never told me who you would hire right now that checks all the Josh boxes, is available, wants this horrific job in place of a better situation they're already in (otherwise we wouldn't be begging them), and how we pay for it without digging a financial hole next to our PR hole.

By all means, feel free to elaborate. You're always the first to complain around here but one of the last to offer a truly realistic solution. So for a high profile athletic program and the human being put on the hot seat as soon as he says 'yes', offer something that works right now, or even on your March 8th timeline.

There are two ways to make a bad situation worse: stay in it too long, which we have accomplished ad nauseum, or have an absolute freak out when magic doesn't occur 18 games in and set things on fire mid-tantrum. You are #2. No one around here is asking for him to get a 4 year cycle. No one. Just because I don't see value in firing him year 1 doesn't equate to seeing value in keeping him 4+ years. Honestly if he doesn't produce notable improvement in a second year, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable.

'But we aren't seeeererious!!!' if we keep a coach longer than a year, right? A program can convince themselves they're serious on the inside and still look like (and BE) a dumpster fire to everyone else at the same time. 

What evidence do you have that he’ll make notable improvements next year?   What is his vision for the program?  Are we currently meeting it?   

[realTomCrean]

16 hours ago, newcastle12 said:

Because the problem isn't the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy and Joes, and this staff hasn't even been able to recruit anyone yet.  They got portal scraps without their full staff in place.  

I agree on the Jimmy & joes. But the X & Os also stink. Not having an effort level standard also is a problem. Nepotism is also a major problem

[HinnyHoosier]

48 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

What evidence do you have that he’ll make notable improvements next year?   What is his vision for the program?  Are we currently meeting it?   

What evidence do you have that having 2 coaches in 2 years at a program that's as empty as it's been since Kelvin Sampson will make things better? 

I don't have evidence for your question. It is a fact that he came in with scraps, some of it his own doing and some of it out of his control, and following a guy who burned a lot of bridges for the program. It is a forgone conclusion that next season should be easier for him to progress. That's why I said if he DOESN'T, it wouldn't be unreasonable to cut him loose. Since they are stuck with him, they'll observe the results. 

Asking for evidence on improvement next season before this season is stacking the deck for the answer you want. You evaluate a season at the end of the season. What was the trend to finish the year? What is the recruiting and portal outlook? What is the staff showing us in end of season meetings? There's all your evidence. If we're looking at a 2 year evaluation he's only 18 games into a 60+ game resumé. Even with one year, you're looking for unquestionable evidence from someone 58% of the way through his season.

[HinnyHoosier]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Soooo your evidence for your theory is the theory itself.  Omg that's precious.

Honestly I haven't looked at who I would hire at this time.  But I don't allow fear of the unknown to scare me into staying put when the current situation is embarrassingly bad.  I keep working and trying to fix situations until you get what works.  

Lol. WE HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH NO PLAN! BUT WE'LL THINK IF SOMETHING, GUYS!

Wait, it....kind of seems like that's what we just did, right? And you don't like where were at? It also seems like the evidence for your opinion is the opinion itself, having zero idea of any kind of solution to back yourself up. Do you also quit jobs before you have another lined up? Because that's responsible.

I get it. It sucks to lose. But it sucks worse to lose and throw a constant temper tantrum about it instead of having some wits about you.

Say whatever else you want, but I've got nothing else for you. I won't change your mind and you sure as heck won't change mine.

[Golfman25]

36 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

What evidence do you have that having 2 coaches in 2 years at a program that's as empty as it's been since Kelvin Sampson will make things better? 

I don't have evidence for your question. It is a fact that he came in with scraps, some of it his own doing and some of it out of his control, and following a guy who burned a lot of bridges for the program. It is a forgone conclusion that next season should be easier for him to progress. That's why I said if he DOESN'T, it wouldn't be unreasonable to cut him loose. Since they are stuck with him, they'll observe the results. 

Asking for evidence on improvement next season before this season is stacking the deck for the answer you want. You evaluate a season at the end of the season. What was the trend to finish the year? What is the recruiting and portal outlook? What is the staff showing us in end of season meetings? There's all your evidence. If we're looking at a 2 year evaluation he's only 18 games into a 60+ game resumé. Even with one year, you're looking for unquestionable evidence from someone 58% of the way through his season.

Chicago Cubs.  2014 Rick Renteria coached one season and was let go to hire Joe Maddon, who led them to a World Series.  

Asking for evidence now doesn't stack the deck.  It asks for an objective evaluation of the coach and his decisions.  I could care less about the W-L record at this point.  What I don't see is a vision and the execution of that vision.  He said he wants to play a "modern" offense and be able to shoot 3s.  Cool.  But is "modern" offense shooting shots from the logos?  Cause we do a lot of that.  Now he says some guys may not be buying in?  Are you chitting me.  

Now I am not saying he has to be Cig.  But it is clear Cig has a vision and a method.  It is easily summed up by any fan paying a little attention:

Compete at a championship level by:

a) no self imposed limitions

b) production over potential, and 

c) playing fast, physical, relentless.  

All Devries has to do is convert that to basketball and then go out and get it done.  

[Magnanimous]

Maybe we should stop hiring coaches; have the AD buy a team, just let trainers and GAs run practices, and let OpenAI manage our in game rotations and sets.

[TheWatShot]

2 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Maybe we should stop hiring coaches; have the AD buy a team, just let trainers and GAs run practices, and let OpenAI manage our in game rotations and sets.

Sounds good to me. 

 

Coaching basketball at Indiana can't possibly be as hard as we've made it look the past two decades.