Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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18 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Saw Federiko is asking for 2M and a lot of people do not think he is worth that, Baba Miller slow playing a lot and is in no rush 

If that number is accurate passing on a kid doesn’t get easier than this.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

5 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Wow, 2M?   That is crazy.

Any news on Curtis?

Not really - slammysammy on here feels good about him but that’s about all I’ve collected 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

1 minute ago, Demo said:

If that number is accurate passing on a kid doesn’t get easier than this.

Yeah never know if the numbers are true or not so it’s all very much grain of salt type deal lol

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

Some of you complain about the Big Ten not being able to compete in the tournament due to antiquated style of play. But as soon as you have a coach that is attempting to run a more modern style of play with a modern roster you begin to complain about the lack of big men. It doesn't make sense. 

Let Coach worry about who is playing what position. If we see issues next year, we can voice our complaints in the "Fire Coach Devries" thread. :)

Nobody has really explained what a “modern style of play is” and how that equals not needing a good big. Just because Woody was stuck in the past and loved bigs it doesn’t mean they aren’t important. Good bigs are still dominant at all levels, including the current best player in the world. 
 

Florida had multiple guys play the center spot who were really good this year. Before that Uconn had Clingon and Sanogo.  Purdue has went 4th, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd in the B1G mostly by dominating the paint.  Michigan State won the conference this year and absolutely sucked at shooting 3’s but they attacked the paint relentlessly. 
 

The truth is you need both good players in the post and on the perimeter. You can’t win with just guards. IU’s problem is that they rarely ever have both. And the last two times that we did (Yogi and Bryant and Oladipo and Zeller) we won the Big Ten despite what I would consider pretty mediocre coaching.  
 

You can’t just go into a season with a giant hole in your roster and declare you are playing some new way and expect it will all work out.  I mean we CAN do that, but it will have predictable results.  
 

(With that said, if that happens next year it’s not the end of the world, imo, since it’s year 1 of CDD building his roster.) 

[steubenhoosier]

30 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I have zero doubt that is on his mind and there is a plan (scheme, recruits, etc)

If our new coach doesn’t realize the potential post issues with our current lineup, issues that are clear even to internet couch warriors/coaches like us, then we made a massive hiring error.

You not serious, right?

It’s the first year of a rebuild. 
Overreact much?

[CSP]

35 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I have zero doubt that is on his mind and there is a plan (scheme, recruits, etc)

If our new coach doesn’t realize the potential post issues with our current lineup, issues that are clear even to internet couch warriors/coaches like us, then we made a massive hiring error.

oh boy. Buckets of myths incoming, I can feel it. 

[HoosierHoopster]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Nobody has really explained what a “modern style of play is” and how that equals not needing a good big. Just because Woody was stuck in the past and loved bigs it doesn’t mean they aren’t important. Good bigs are still dominant at all levels, including the current best player in the world. 
 

Florida had multiple guys play the center spot who were really good this year. Before that Uconn had Clingon and Sanogo.  Purdue has went 4th, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd in the B1G mostly by dominating the paint.  Michigan State won the conference this year and absolutely sucked at shooting 3’s but they attacked the paint relentlessly. 
 

The truth is you need both good players in the post and on the perimeter. You can’t win with just guards. IU’s problem is that they rarely ever have both. And the last two times that we did (Yogi and Bryant and Oladipo and Zeller) we won the Big Ten despite what I would consider pretty mediocre coaching.  
 

You can’t just go into a season with a giant hole in your roster and declare you are playing some new way and expect it will all work out.  I mean we CAN do that, but it will have predictable results.  
 

(With that said, if that happens next year it’s not the end of the world, imo, since it’s year 1 of CDD building his roster.) 

Some have explained it, see Houston's team et al. Here, DeVries is building a team for perimeter/wing play, with multiple players who can shoot, get out and run for speed of play and transition D. So far we have multiple players with good size and length at forward/wing in Dorn (G/F 6'7), DeVries (6/7), Alexis (6'8), Sisley (6'7) and Baily (6''10), not counting Goode (at least yet, 6'7), and Guard (Miles 6'6), Wilkerson (6'5) followed by Connerway (6'3) Enright (6'2) and Drake (6'2). The team is built to run and gun, and spread the floor with a combination of shooting and get-to-the-rim play. Adding a shot-blocking 6'8-plus type guy I think is expected, but (imo) we do not need a 'post' player. and we don't have 'just guards," we have multiple forwards already and aren't done. 

[Scotty R]

I doubt we would pay this for anyone

[str8baller]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Some have explained it, see Houston's team et al

That’s not explaining it in the least.  
 

Houston can get away with a lack of size primarily because they have elite defenders littering their roster and play like the proverbial “dawgs” that just maul people defensively and gang rebound like their life depends on it. As much as I dislike Sampson, that is his specialty and very few coaches succeed in replicating that. He also self selects for those types of players. Houston slowed  the  game down to a crawl this year and had plus athletes and plus defenders flying all over the place. 
 

The idea of kids like Tucker Devries replicating that is kind of funny. And the scouting report on guys like Miles, Bailey and Wilkerson don’t exactly lend themselves to being those types of players either (although I have hope that CDD will get them to succeed defensively, in his own way).  
 

So no, you can’t just declare “we’re gonna be like Houston” (which is the furthest thing in the world from run n gun, which you cite later for IU) and hand wave away issues with the roster construction.
 

I’ll put the disclaimer on here a second time as to not upset people: It’s ultimately fine if next year’s roster is less than perfect; I don’t expect CDD to turn IU into championship contenders year 1. 

[HoosierHoopster]

7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That’s not explaining it in the least.  
 

Houston can get away with a lack of size primarily because they have elite defenders littering their roster and play like the proverbial “dawgs” that just maul people defensively and gang rebound like their life depends on it. As much as I dislike Sampson, that is his specialty and very few coaches succeed in replicating that. He also self selects for those types of players. Houston slowed  the  game down to a crawl this year and had plus athletes and plus defenders flying all over the place. 
 

The idea of kids like Tucker Devries replicating that is kind of funny. And the scouting report on guys like Miles, Bailey and Wilkerson don’t exactly lend themselves to being those types of players either (although I have hope that CDD will get them to succeed defensively, in his own way).  
 

So no, you can’t just declare “we’re gonna be like Houston” (which is the furthest thing in the world from run n gun, which you cite later for IU) and hand wave away issues with the roster construction.
 

I’ll put the disclaimer on here a second time as to not upset people: It’s ultimately fine if next year’s roster is less than perfect; I don’t expect CDD to turn IU into championship contenders year 1. 

So, I never "declared" we're gonna be like Houston and quoting that one line above ignores everything else in the post. Houston is one example, of many, teams that play a get out and go transition game with multiple forwards and guards -- and yes, it's guards that win in March. I also said we're not done, and a shot-blocking type forward seems likely (imo). We're not going to be a slow-the-pace team, obviously, we're going to be a running and shooting team. We'll see what additional forwards DeVries adds, and go from there.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

17 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I doubt we would pay this for anyone

Florida 

[Ctf9]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1916875233044136051?s=46
 

One thing that's going to take some adjusting, for us armchair coaches, is translating Euroleague players to college contexts. There are so many leagues, at so many levels. I hope one day we're at a point where analytics makes it easy to compare and project, the way baseball stats can across minor league levels, but we aren't there yet. 

Anyway, the big guy who just signed with UVA averaged roughly 8 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks while playing in the Basketball Budeslinga league. 

Interestingly, his teammate in the front court was Jayden Gardner, who recently graduated from . . . UVA. During his last two years at UVA, Gardner averaged roughly 14 and 6. In his first year in Europe, he again averaged 14 and 6. 

I have a lot to learn on this front, but here's one thought experiment (with a million caveats about fit / age / etc.) that says Basketball Budeslinga stats are roughly the same as power five stats. 

Has anyone tried doing this kind of translation on the Greek kid we're chasing? 

 

[jonz44]

Yes exactly.  It's not about back to the basket 5, it's really just a defense issue as to who is going to guard the Purdues/Michigans that have multiple big men that will dominate us inside the paint if we don't have anyone that can guard them.  I look forward to the new type of play we will be seeing.  I am just hoping we get another big or two that can protect the rim but doesn't need the ball in their hands a ton.

While it might be an issue guarding those teams in the post I'm hoping we take the approach of making their bigs guard on the perimeter, the drive, and in transition. I'm looking forward to the tradeoff.

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[Artie86]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Saw Federiko is asking for 2M and a lot of people do not think he is worth that, Baba Miller slow playing a lot and is in no rush 

......yeah, remember the good 'ol days when a player was honored just to get a "full ride" scholarship and REALLY come to play for the the coach and university!

I know NIL is here to stay and this is how NCAA has progressed, but there HAS to be some sort of regulations, caps or something because it's only going to get worse.

 

[iu2win]

You are so right Artie.  It is so unresponsible to give 18-21 year olds access to millions of dollars.  There is rightfully a lot of focus on small schools not being able to compete with the big boys but little focus on what this can/will do to the youngsters.  What about those that get a million NIL and then do not make the pros; easy for us older folk to believe how we could be set for a long time on a million dollars but I'm guessing someone 18-21 would go through it like water through a sieve.

[68Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I doubt we would pay this for anyone

Yikes, that is a big payday if he gets it.

[BA47591]

We're the UK fans correct with the money they claimed we paid Wilkerson?  We paid in the neighborhood of 1.5 for a coat rack? Did Tucker get 2m? We'll never know but damn are we over 10m already for a really good mvc team? 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

We're the UK fans correct with the money they claimed we paid Wilkerson?  We paid in the neighborhood of 1.5 for a coat rack? Did Tucker get 2m? We'll never know but damn are we over 10m already for a really good mvc team? 

myth, myth, myth.... myth? 

were there 3 or 4 in there? 

[moyemayhem]

1 hour ago, Ctf9 said:

One thing that's going to take some adjusting, for us armchair coaches, is translating Euroleague players to college contexts. There are so many leagues, at so many levels. I hope one day we're at a point where analytics makes it easy to compare and project, the way baseball stats can across minor league levels, but we aren't there yet. 

Anyway, the big guy who just signed with UVA averaged roughly 8 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks while playing in the Basketball Budeslinga league. 

Interestingly, his teammate in the front court was Jayden Gardner, who recently graduated from . . . UVA. During his last two years at UVA, Gardner averaged roughly 14 and 6. In his first year in Europe, he again averaged 14 and 6. 

I have a lot to learn on this front, but here's one thought experiment (with a million caveats about fit / age / etc.) that says Basketball Budeslinga stats are roughly the same as power five stats. 

Has anyone tried doing this kind of translation on the Greek kid we're chasing? 

 

These comparisons can be tricky, but the Greek League has historically been far superior than the German League.

The Greek league is very top heavy, with 2 dominant teams (Panathinaikos and Olympiacos) that are loaded with former/future NBA players and among the best in all of Europe.  The rest of the teams in that league are considered a tier below.  Panathinaikos are the defending EuroLeague champions (the basketball version of the Champion's League).  Since 2000, the Greeks have won seven EuroLeague Finals, more than any other country in Europe over that period.

For comparison, the German League has never produced a Euroleague champion (or runner-up).  It is considered to have more overall league parity for what it's worth.

Neoklis Avdalas, the Greek player who has garnered interest, is under contract with Panathinaikos but currently loaned out to a mid-tier Greek competitor.  Being associated with Panathinaikos would imply he's probably a good prospect.

EuroLeague - Wikipedia

 

[Ctf9]

7 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

These comparisons can be tricky, but the Greek League has historically been far superior than the German League.

Thanks for all this! Really helpful. Your answer is also exactly why it’s so hard to make these comparisons, lol. I imagine we’ll all have to learn more about this as the Euro pipeline heats up.