Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Travis Branham says Texas is the leader for Conwell

Hope DDV has more than one “shooting guard” in mind in the portal. Conwell’s already familiar with Miller’s system and how he’d be used in it, and UT can easily match any $$$ offer IU makes. If Conwell would prefer staying closer to home, great. If not, I hope DeVries has some additional portal shooters on his list.

[Demo]

6 hours ago, lillurk said:

 

Good rim #s, promising from 3, was 129 on the 247 composite, huge defensive box plus/minus (haven’t seen him nor read a scouting report). I’m intrigued!

A Kid from SoCal with inquiries from USC, UCLA, other west coast schools plus Arizona and Arizona State feels like a pretty dicey proposition o get to Bloomington, IN. But we shall see. 

[JustWinBaby]

28 minutes ago, Demo said:

A Kid from SoCal with inquiries from USC, UCLA, other west coast schools plus Arizona and Arizona State feels like a pretty dicey proposition o get to Bloomington, IN. But we shall see. 

If I remember correct, DeVries had 2 SoCal kids committed to play for him at WVU.

Seems like SoCal is an area he likes to recruit for whatever reason. Must have good connections there or something.

[bigrod]

6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We are gonna have to land some dudes by the end of this.  If the portal ends up like the coach search we are all going to need summer to recover from our disappointments.  Conwell would hurt. Wonder what our 3rd and 4th options look like?

I get it, but most on here were ready to hand us the Big Ten trophy after last off season. Personally, I'm not getting too hung up on stars. Seems like DD has a plan and knows what he's looking for, instead of just stars after their names. 80+% of the roster will likely be portal players next year. While it's a necessity next season, it's not a good long term plan, and from what I've seen and heard, not what DD wants either. IMO, you want to get dudes, but dudes that fit with the team culture that he is looking to establish. I'd rather give up a few wins next year if it means building for long-term success. 

[Pagoda]

49 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I get it, but most on here were ready to hand us the Big Ten trophy after last off season. Personally, I'm not getting too hung up on stars. Seems like DD has a plan and knows what he's looking for, instead of just stars after their names. 80+% of the roster will likely be portal players next year. While it's a necessity next season, it's not a good long term plan, and from what I've seen and heard, not what DD wants either. IMO, you want to get dudes, but dudes that fit with the team culture that he is looking to establish. I'd rather give up a few wins next year if it means building for long-term success. 

Yea, Woody left a tire fire behind for CDD and we're going to be heavy in the portal.  The one year eligibility portal guys are effective players, and they can help win games which the program needs to get back on the CBB map, but they aren't around long enough to help build program culture/identity, which is vital.  Hopefully we can get a few portal guys with multiple years of eligibility, I really like that sweet spot of experience and potential to be around a few years.

After a few years we can get high school recruiting and high school player development up and running -- then we can get that balance of high school and portal where most players are in the program for multiple years and we've got a strong culture/identity going.

Cig said same thing -- he doesn't prefer to be so portal heavy like he has been and he would like more high school recruits developed in the program.  This is the key in CFB -- the best teams develop high school talent in their program a fill a few areas of need with portal guys.  But, Cig is dealing with the same issue in that high school recruiting and player development takes time.

We'll see how it goes, again Woodson left CDD with just a mess of a roster.

[str8baller]

49 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I get it, but most on here were ready to hand us the Big Ten trophy after last off season. Personally, I'm not getting too hung up on stars. Seems like DD has a plan and knows what he's looking for, instead of just stars after their names. 80+% of the roster will likely be portal players next year. While it's a necessity next season, it's not a good long term plan, and from what I've seen and heard, not what DD wants either. IMO, you want to get dudes, but dudes that fit with the team culture that he is looking to establish. I'd rather give up a few wins next year if it means building for long-term success. 

I think most were rightly skeptical last year because of who was coaching. I’d argue that roster construction last year was at least good enough for solidly in the tourney. But Woody… 

 

I’m not exactly sure how you build for future success outside of high school recruiting. Any young portal guys you bring in ought to be players.  
 

I’m not worried about the roster at all. It really shouldn’t be that hard to win now and still keep an eye on the future. UM, UK, and Lville provide a nice illustration of that. 

[Demo]

2 hours ago, JustWinBaby said:

If I remember correct, DeVries had 2 SoCal kids committed to play for him at WVU.

Seems like SoCal is an area he likes to recruit for whatever reason. Must have good connections there or something.

True, the 2 SoCal Academy kids. Pretty sure Odih is actually from the east coast and just playing there but MacLean is definitely from California. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

8 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We are gonna have to land some dudes by the end of this.  If the portal ends up like the coach search we are all going to need summer to recover from our disappointments.  Conwell would hurt. Wonder what our 3rd and 4th options look like?

Not sure where you get the impression “we are all” unhappy with how the coach search went. If the portal goes like the coach search went I think the majority of folks will be thrilled with the roster. 

[Golfman25]

16 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Not sure where you get the impression “we are all” unhappy with how the coach search went. If the portal goes like the coach search went I think the majority of folks will be thrilled with the roster. 

Yeah.  Think we are going to get a more lunch bucket kind of TEAM vs a bunch of individual *****.   The pieces need to fit, no red flags, etc.   I just hope he can land some multi-year guys he can build future teams off of.  

[IUCrazy2]

3 hours ago, bigrod said:

I get it, but most on here were ready to hand us the Big Ten trophy after last off season. Personally, I'm not getting too hung up on stars. Seems like DD has a plan and knows what he's looking for, instead of just stars after their names. 80+% of the roster will likely be portal players next year. While it's a necessity next season, it's not a good long term plan, and from what I've seen and heard, not what DD wants either. IMO, you want to get dudes, but dudes that fit with the team culture that he is looking to establish. I'd rather give up a few wins next year if it means building for long-term success. 

All well and good but the bar has been set on this already by some of our rivals and the "one that got away".  He can miss a few wins to build a culture but I don't think he can miss the tournament.  Not after basically dismissing all that was left over from a 20 win team.

If we win 18 games and miss the tournament again next year, with our payroll, there will be grumbling.

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

All well and good but the bar has been set on this already by some of our rivals and the "one that got away".  He can miss a few wins to build a culture but I don't think he can miss the tournament.  Not after basically dismissing all that was left over from a 20 win team.

If we win 18 games and miss the tournament again next year, with our payroll, there will be grumbling.

And what was that crews record vs P5 teams? 

They are completely irrelevant in this conversation. 

[AZ Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

All well and good but the bar has been set on this already by some of our rivals and the "one that got away".  He can miss a few wins to build a culture but I don't think he can miss the tournament.  Not after basically dismissing all that was left over from a 20 win team.

If we win 18 games and miss the tournament again next year, with our payroll, there will be grumbling.

Not to pick nits, but Woodson's last stand was 19-13 to follow up a 19-14 season. He never got to 20 wins without TJD carrying the load.

[Pagoda]

12 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Not to pick nits, but Woodson's last stand was 19-13 to follow up a 19-14 season. He never got to 20 wins without TJD carrying the load.

Once the season ended I calmed myself down with respect to Woodson and forget about him.

After seeing our entire $6M roster gone (mostly via portal) and the new coach likely not seeing anyone on staff worth retaining... it reminded how awful he was and how much damage he did.  Once we get a new roster in place, assuming it is decent to good on paper, then I can probably forget about Woody again.  So frustrating...

[IUCrazy2]

8 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

And what was that crews record vs P5 teams? 

They are completely irrelevant in this conversation. 

They aren't unless things go bad.  Let's be real, Archie Miller was irrelevant to the Woodson conversation but his shadow was still felt.  If we don't make the tournament next year after what appears to be a lackluster offseason, people are going to question whether letting go of a Rice or a Tucker was a good idea.  Not everyone, but there is a percentage of the fanbase that wasn't happy with this hire already.

Dusty and Pope made the Sweet 16 in year one.  Louisville completely overhauled their roster and made the tournament.  You all are kidding yourselves about how some of this fanbase is going to react if we miss the tournament next year.

[IUCrazy2]

17 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Not to pick nits, but Woodson's last stand was 19-13 to follow up a 19-14 season. He never got to 20 wins without TJD carrying the load.

My bad.  I kind of shut it down a little at the end of the year, for some reason I thought they got to 20.  Main point still stands though.  He will dig himself a little bit of a hole if we miss the tournament yet again next year and anything and everything that happens or doesn't happen right now will be what gets dissected and gone through with a microscope to figure out why.  Now he could miss and then completely hit the gas and never look back and be fine, but there will be grumbling if we miss next year.  We all know that.  There is no patience for new hires anymore when you can buy a team and that is even more pronounced with this fanbase when so many local teams and rivals just did that and had quite a bit of success.

With reportedly $10 million to spend, he can get whomever he wants and thinks is best for his program but they almost have to make the tournament.  He does himself and his program a disservice if they miss.

[Pagoda]

8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

They aren't unless things go bad.  Let's be real, Archie Miller was irrelevant to the Woodson conversation but his shadow was still felt.  If we don't make the tournament next year after what appears to be a lackluster offseason, people are going to question whether letting go of a Rice or a Tucker was a good idea.  Not everyone, but there is a percentage of the fanbase that wasn't happy with this hire already.

Dusty and Pope made the Sweet 16 in year one.  Louisville completely overhauled their roster and made the tournament.  You all are kidding yourselves about how some of this fanbase is going to react if we miss the tournament next year.

I think it's pretty fair with +/- $11M player payroll we should make the tournament.  I mean it's hard to miss the field of 68 with top-5 or 10 payroll, Woody had to do so many things wrong this past season for us to actually not make it.

There will be lumps and bumps, but it's important we see a team identity developing, the team shows overall improvement throughout the year, we get in the tourney, and we are competitive.  I don't expect to win the conference or go deep in the tourney, but we all know what competitive, well run program looks like.

To keep this on topic, we may have some misses like Conwell, but we should have a tourney squad.

[CSP]

9 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

They aren't unless things go bad.  Let's be real, Archie Miller was irrelevant to the Woodson conversation but his shadow was still felt.  If we don't make the tournament next year after what appears to be a lackluster offseason, people are going to question whether letting go of a Rice or a Tucker was a good idea.  Not everyone, but there is a percentage of the fanbase that wasn't happy with this hire already.

Dusty and Pope made the Sweet 16 in year one.  Louisville completely overhauled their roster and made the tournament.  You all are kidding yourselves about how some of this fanbase is going to react if we miss the tournament next year.

Nahh. I don't see it like that at all to your first sentence. I have no interest in debating of hypothetically something happens. But no, our most recent teams' individuals aren't a drop in the bucket moving forward. 

They were 10-11 vs B1G teams 

And absolutely slammed by UL and Gonzaga, two teams that couldn't even make a Sw16. 

[IUCrazy2]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

I think it's pretty fair with +/- $11M player payroll we should make the tournament.  I mean it's hard to miss the field of 68, Woody had to do so many things wrong this past season for us to actually not make it.

There will be lumps and bumps, but it's important we see a team identity developing, the team shows overall improvement throughout the year, we get in the tourney, and we are competitive.  I don't expect to win the conference or go deep in the tourney, but we all know what competitive, well run program looks like.

To keep this on topic, we may have some misses like Conwell, but we should have a tourney squad.

Yes, that is all I am saying.  We can "lose" the offseason or we can "win" the offseason, what we cannot do is have another "miss" season.

[IUCrazy2]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Nahh. I don't see it like that at all. 

You think IU Twitter is going to be cool if we have a bunch of portal misses and end up missing the tournament next year?  You are of course entitled to your opinion but I don't see that ending well.

Hopefully we actually get some good basketball and it doesn't matter.

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

You think IU Twitter is going to be cool if we have a bunch of portal misses and end up missing the tournament next year?  You are of course entitled to your opinion but I don't see that ending well.

Hopefully we actually get some good basketball and it doesn't matter.

I couldn't imagine caring about IU Twitter lol 

But, we should absolutely be livid if we don't make the tourney. It just doesn't have anything to do with the crew we just dumped.