They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Home Jersey]

Leal's speech doesn't upset me very much (I do think the tone could have been better) but he was taking queues from his coach and I believe a lot of the "true fan" narrative is also related to treatment of Xavier, so also sticking up for his teammate. I like having a guy like that in the locker room even if it means adopting an "us against the world" mindset that a lot of fans may find off-putting. Woodson's speech is another topic but I've cooled off a lot about Leal. 

[HoosierHoopster]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

So is that another reason we need to fire Woodson because he didn't play him for half this season and the last 2 years

Not imo. 2 years ago was a different team altogether. First half of this season? Hard to say, probably should’ve gotten minutes for stability but doubt he was standing out in practices and staff was expecting development out of a couple guys who didn’t show it. I’m very much wanting IU to move on from Woodson, but hindsight based on current play from Leal who almost never played in a full college career isn’t one of my reasons 

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Not imo. 2 years ago was a different team altogether. First half of this season? Hard to say, probably should’ve gotten minutes for stability but doubt he was standing out in practices and staff was expecting development out of a couple guys who didn’t show it. I’m very much wanting IU to move on from Woodson, but hindsight based on current play from Leal who almost never played in a full college career isn’t one of my reasons 

[MrBBall]

12 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Leal's speech doesn't upset me very much (I do think the tone could have been better) but he was taking queues from his coach and I believe a lot of the "true fan" narrative is also related to treatment of Xavier, so also sticking up for his teammate. I like having a guy like that in the locker room even if it means adopting an "us against the world" mindset that a lot of fans may find off-putting. Woodson's speech is another topic but I've cooled off a lot about Leal. 

He uses the language in the locker room. Not a good way to endear yourself to fans. Would they rather us be like IU football fandom? Uncaring and apathetic?

Edited March 15, 2024 by MrBBall

[Home Jersey]

8 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

He uses the language in the locker room. Not a good way to endear yourself to fans. Would they rather us be like OU football fandom? Uncaring and apathetic?

Sorry I'm not really following that comparison... I am not aware of OU football fans being uncaring and apathetic haha. Maybe I missed something? 

Edit: I agree it's not a great way of endearing yourself to fans. If you feel like it has to be said, which Leal clearly did, I won't begrudge you for speaking your truth. I will try to understand even if it initially seems offensive to me. Doesn't mean I will agree with what he said or the sentiment but it's not going to stop me from rooting for him. Just my .02

[ap2345]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

After rewatching it this morning. It looked like the play was for Ware but Reneau decided he was going to be the hero. Thankfully Anthony Chill Out Leal was there

Well when you’re the coaches favorite you can do whatever you want lol

[MrBBall]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sorry I'm not really following that comparison... I am not aware of OU football fans being uncaring and apathetic haha. Maybe I missed something? 

Ha. Edited 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

IMO Trey's and Anthony's comments wouldn't have been taken as badly had not Woody opened his yap.  If Woody had simply thanked the fans and the players and left everything else out, I really don't think there would be as big of a stink as has developed.  And FWIW, I don't think either one looked really comfortable when they made their comments and I felt they were not truly heartfelt but expected from them likely in light of extra NIL they were promised.

[Artie86]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

How could Leal's words actually have bothered any of you? 

You can tell his just an overall good kid. He seems always be well spoken, confident and intelligent. 

[RoncalliHoosier]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

IMO Trey's and Anthony's comments wouldn't have been taken as badly had not Woody opened his yap.  If Woody had simply thanked the fans and the players and left everything else out, I really don't think there would be as big of a stink as has developed.  And FWIW, I don't think either one looked really comfortable when they made their comments and I felt they were not truly heartfelt but expected from them likely in light of extra NIL they were promised.

True, but the fans (including us here) did not know about the extra scratch at the time they spoke on Senior Day.

[LamarCheeks]

34 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

IMO Trey's and Anthony's comments wouldn't have been taken as badly had not Woody opened his yap.  If Woody had simply thanked the fans and the players and left everything else out, I really don't think there would be as big of a stink as has developed.  And FWIW, I don't think either one looked really comfortable when they made their comments and I felt they were not truly heartfelt but expected from them likely in light of extra NIL they were promised.

I don't think Trey said anything really inflammatory, did he? He just said he was coming back to play in the best place and for the best fans. Leal brought up fans thinking they're coaches and telling everyone to just chill -- which may have ruffled some feathers. 

[Artie86]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I would agree with that. I also think Malik wants to be the man, but is not ready to be the man yet. 

I love Malik's motor and ability, but IMO he comes across as a bit selfish at times. I mean, when he gets the ball at the low post anywhere near the basket, 9 times out of 10 his head is down and going to the hole. Team know this and prepare to dbbl and triple team him. When he begins to turn/pivot towards the basket he sometimes, lazily brings his hands down/through slower and that is where he get in trouble....

[CSP]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Because I will chill when I want to chill, no one tells me to chill unless I'm eating at Chilli's. 

But in seriousness, I didn't care for his tone. But over the days I'm slowly becoming OK with it

I'm sure Anthony Leal doesn't care for the tone of many of our fans. 

[Mopladysman]

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I'm sure Anthony Leal doesn't care for the tone of many of our fans. 

True Fan  

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Mopladysman said:

True Fan  

I'm not sure what you mean. 

[Artie86]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

You don't attack the fans, period.  Why is that so hard for people to understand?  

.....tell me where Leal actually attacks IU fans from what he said..... I just don't see it. If you think it's because he says "there's a reason you guys aren't coaches, so relax or .....you guys need to chill!" He is just addressing the fans to just calm down and obviously relax/chill. The part about, ...."there's a reason you guys aren't coaches", who cares! If some of you all think that was too strong or feel like being attacked, then IMO your way too sensitive. Good grief, maybe he said a little more then he anticipated, I don't know, ....but give him a little grace for sticking with this program as long as he has,  getting limited playing time AND loosing a very close friend. 

Leal, a Bloomington South graduate, said he wanted to "make something very clear."

"Adversity is part of sports," Leal said. "For those of you who are so quick to give up and call for quits and everything, there's a reason that you guys aren't coaches. So you relax. There's no other coach in the country that I would trust with anything in my life than coach Woodson. There's no other university that I would like to represent. We're going to run it back, but you guys got to chill."

[bigrod]

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I'm sure Anthony Leal doesn't care for the tone of many of our fans. 

But he'll put up with it while cashing his check.

[Mopladysman]

7 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

.....tell me where Leal actually attacks IU fans from what he said..... I just don't see it. If you think it's because he says "there's a reason you guys aren't coaches, so relax or .....you guys need to chill!" He is just addressing the fans to just calm down and obviously relax/chill. The part about, ...."there's a reason you guys aren't coaches", who cares! If some of you all think that was too strong or like being attacked, then IMO your way too sensitive. Good grief, maybe he said a little more then he anticipated, I don't know, ....but give him a little grace for sticking with this program as long as he has,  getting limited playing time AND loosing a very close friend. 

Leal, a Bloomington South graduate, said he wanted to "make something very clear."

"Adversity is part of sports," Leal said. "For those of you who are so quick to give up and call for quits and everything, there's a reason that you guys aren't coaches. So you relax. There's no other coach in the country that I would trust with anything in my life than coach Woodson. There's no other university that I would like to represent. We're going to run it back, but you guys got to chill."

In other words, you fans don’t know ****, stfu

[HoosierHoopster]

8 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

.....tell me where Leal actually attacks IU fans from what he said..... I just don't see it. If you think it's because he says "there's a reason you guys aren't coaches, so relax or .....you guys need to chill!" He is just addressing the fans to just calm down and obviously relax/chill. The part about, ...."there's a reason you guys aren't coaches", who cares! If some of you all think that was too strong or like being attacked, then IMO your way too sensitive. Good grief, maybe he said a little more then he anticipated, I don't know, ....but give him a little grace for sticking with this program as long as he has,  getting limited playing time AND loosing a very close friend. 

Leal, a Bloomington South graduate, said he wanted to "make something very clear."

"Adversity is part of sports," Leal said. "For those of you who are so quick to give up and call for quits and everything, there's a reason that you guys aren't coaches. So you relax. There's no other coach in the country that I would trust with anything in my life than coach Woodson. There's no other university that I would like to represent. We're going to run it back, but you guys got to chill."

Honestly there’s nothing wrong with this statement— I think some are taking it out of context or too personally. 

[CSP]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

You don't attack the fans, period.  Why is that so hard for people to understand?  

You weren't attacked lol... why is that so hard to understand?