They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

Would Buckner burn it down to make his point? Seems beyond idiotic... never mind, I just answered my own question.

Arrogance and power make people do very irrational things.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

30 minutes ago, IUHoosier5 said:

Your Indiana Hoosiers can now be “The Rolling Pearls” and “The Smoking Cigs.” Need I say more? Do it!

Enroll them in our music school and they could be called The Cultured Pearls.

[HoosierKix]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

The season ends for us next week after losing in our first game of the BTT. Then the NCAA is announced. I would say between that week and the next week. I'm just guessing so don't hold me to it

So my Guess of March 18th ain’t looking too bad, love it! 

[tyappleg]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

The season ends for us next week after losing in our first game of the BTT. Then the NCAA is announced. I would say between that week and the next week. I'm just guessing so don't hold me to it

The Tom Crean new dump special. (Hopefully sooner if it happens)

[Golfman25]

34 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

If the change to a million a year allows Dolson to go around the BOT for the buyout, that would be an absolute masterclass by Dolson. 

And yet posters where pounding him for the $1m raise.  Looks cheap now, doesn't it.   

[Hornsby]

So my Guess of March 18th ain’t looking too bad, love it! 

God I hope we don't get an NIT invite. Be a first round road loss and another week of woodson.

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[BleedCubbieBlue]

1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Yes. That is my understanding based on how I read the delegation of authority to the BoT.

I believe this is correct. To sweeten the deal even more, Bruce Pearl only has to pay 50% of the buyout within 30 days of leaving. The rest of the buyout isn't due for another year. Theoretically, if a booster could pay the buyout and Pearl didn't take a salary for the first year, he could sign on the dotted line tomorrow, and then sign his real contract in 2025 after Buckner is off the board.

[LamarCheeks]

My sources are telling me Woody will be fired, or he will be back. 

[SamIam]

This is all going basically as I said it would. Before NW, I said 3-4 to finish would keep him safe. He needs one more win, IMO. A lot of people were saying that one win shouldn't matter to this decision, and they were right, but that ignores the politics at play here.

I will say this, if the buyout stuff is true and IU can space it into annual payments, it should not be underestimated how much leverage this gives IU financially. Woody's team would have to negotiate that into a much smaller guaranteed buyout. 

Worst case scenario is that we hold onto Woodson only 1 more year. We run out a team of mercenaries, we lose out on the '25 class, and Dusty takes a P5 job whose year 1 buyout will be too hefty for IU to pay. 

[realTomCrean]

You have to think Woodson wants out at this point as well. His team is allegedly leaving him, his in-season results have been mediocre at best, and the off-season is a grind that takes away from hobbies and family. All of this while a fan base is overwhelmingly imploring the AD to fire/retire him. I know he's fighting it, or someone on his behalf, online due to the new X accounts that are GOING AFTER(!) anyone who mentions Woodson's need for being retired. The bots (not BOTs) are out in full force. Seen it once before... coach gets fired shortly after. Come on Chris make it happen, fire Woodson! 

[go iu bb]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

My sources are telling me Woody will be fired, or he will be back. 

This checks out with what my sources are telling me.

[Hornsby]

This is all going basically as I said it would. Before NW, I said 3-4 to finish would keep him safe. He needs one more win, IMO. A lot of people were saying that one win shouldn't matter to this decision, and they were right, but that ignores the politics at play here.
I will say this, if the buyout stuff is true and IU can space it into annual payments, it should not be underestimated how much leverage this gives IU financially. Woody's team would have to negotiate that into a much smaller guaranteed buyout. 
Worst case scenario is that we hold onto Woodson only 1 more year. We run out a team of mercenaries, we lose out on the '25 class, and Dusty takes a P5 job whose year 1 buyout will be too hefty for IU to pay. 

Seems like dolson has made up his mind woodsons last few ges are irrelevant at this point. It more about politics now.

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[BlueDevil]

1 minute ago, realTomCrean said:

You have to think Woodson wants out at this point as well. His team is allegedly leaving him, his in-season results have been mediocre at best, and the off-season is a grind that takes away from hobbies and family. All of this while a fan base is overwhelmingly imploring the AD to fire/retire him. I know he's fighting it, or someone on his behalf, online due to the new X accounts that are GOING AFTER(!) anyone who mentions Woodson's need for being retired. The bots (not BOTs) are out in full force. Seen it once before... coach gets fired shortly after. Come on Chris make it happen, fire Woodson! 

But you see Mike Woodson isn’t the problem. No one knows basketball more than him. He tells you in his pressers how much it is everyone else fault but his. Guys with these egos think they can always turn it around because no one is smarter than them.

[Golfman25]

24 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

We're not sure. I've heard it both ways

This really becomes political rather than who out ranks who.  The BOT is a board and requires a certain number of members to agree.  No one person has more of a vote than the other.  But, the Chair always has more persuasion because, well he's the chair.  Whitten serves at the pleasure of the BOT.  They hire and fire her.  So she, at a minimum needs a majority to stand behind her actions.  Dolson, I believe, would be under Whitten -- she would hire/fire, but likely with the Board's approval.  Bottom line, if Dolson can get Whitten (his boss) and a majority of Trustee behind him (Whitten's bosses), Buckner can't do squat except cry.  

[Chris007]

7 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

My sources are telling me Woody will be fired, or he will be back. 

You would be amazed how many times I hear this a day. 

[HoosierFan1994]

17 minutes ago, HoosierKix said:

@Chris007 this is getting a little exhausting I ain’t gonna lie with all that is going on. What is a realistic timeline in your eyes of us knowing what is actually gonna happen? I know if we move on might depend on how Pearl does in the tournament but I believe a decision would leak strongly before he even loses. So we looking at a week after season or two weeks after? What’s your opinion on us seeing some sort of resolution to this circus that is going on or a leaked decision?

I think March 18th is the earliest we hear something. If Woodson is back they'll 100% release a statement or something. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

This really becomes political rather than who out ranks who.  The BOT is a board and requires a certain number of members to agree.  No one person has more of a vote than the other.  But, the Chair always has more persuasion because, well he's the chair.  Whitten serves at the pleasure of the BOT.  They hire and fire her.  So she, at a minimum needs a majority to stand behind her actions.  Dolson, I believe, would be under Whitten -- she would hire/fire, but likely with the Board's approval.  Bottom line, if Dolson can get Whitten (his boss) and a majority of Trustee behind him (Whitten's bosses), Buckner can't do squat except cry.  

Let’s be quite honest here: do you think it would have gotten this far if Scott didn’t think he already had that in place?

[Hoosierfan2017]

Buckner vetoing a Bruce Pearl hire would legitimately kill my interest in the program. Would take a lot for me to get over that. 

[kottke]

We might get to 500 pages by tonight at the rate we are going.

[SamIam]

Just now, Hornsby said:

Seems like dolson has made up his mind woodsons last few ges are irrelevant at this point. It more about politics now.

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Exactly, this is what I have been saying. Dolson is smart, I'm sure he sees the same problems we do. But he needs some L's to make the narrative for him, and put pressure on Buckner. Otherwise I'm not sure he will put his career on the line to cross his bosses. If we get a few more losses, I think it's an easier sell. Otherwise, he's not gonna waste all his political capital right now when he could stay safe for another year and make the firing much easier for him after year 4.