They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

Woodson will make the needed changes, he said so. Nevermind that we're seeing some of the same problems Woodson's Knicks teams had like bad shooting and bad perimeter defense.

Yeah he is going to go get 8 portal guys and totally revamp his system at age 66.

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[AnotherSznOnTheBrink]

5 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

No, we don’t have enough guys confident in taking them. MM is a freshman and is attempting more already than anyone last 3 years at 4.4 per game when top guys in conference are around 5.5.  I bet Liam shoots 5.5 to 6 in the same system. 

Now if we had guards who can create, confident and can shoot, that is where our team average falls. 

Said many of times it is the roster and Woody has to own that no matter the reasons. 

Also, don’t know of many players who are more confident in one dribble pull up long twos than they are catch and shoot threes, but IU has a monopoly on them. 

[Artie86]

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not sure but he said he was smarter and played at a higher level than everyone else on here earlier today. 

…now, speakin’ of the U. S. of A., Pikes Peak is pert’-near one of the highest places or levels I’ve been up to. That’s pretty dang gum high, I seriously couldn’t hardly catch my breath. Oh, yeah….you were talkin ‘bout playin basketball at a high level. Yeah, we definitely didn’t play basketball up there, we just walked in the resternt’ and gift shop, caught our breath, got back in the Suburban and back down the mountain we went….It was right nice! 
 
(anyone catch my sarcasm….?) wink…lol

GO IU!

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, AnotherSznOnTheBrink said:

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don’t think guys pass up good threes to put it on the floor and settle unless they’ve been coached to. And that doesn’t mean Mike Woodson is yelling not to shoot, but I do believe it’s made very clear what shots he prefers. I’m not there, so I’m not going to say I know what is happening, but a 3 year span is a pretty good sample size. 

Woodson himself has said the 3 isn't an emphasis.

[hoosierbannerd]

Hey our next coach is about to tip off against Tennessee...

[Hornsby]

Woodson himself has said the 3 isn't an emphasis.

And he thinks he is going to win a national title by pounding the ball in the paint? Lol.

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[IUFAN1976]

6 hours ago, btownqb said:

What makes you proven, if Dusty isn't? 

I’m not trying to get the job.  He still reminds me of Archie 2.0.  I would like to see him either do it at a little higher school/conference or make the dance 3 years in a row.  Making it to the dance and Final Four once could be a flash in the pan, flavor of month.  That is what Archie was and that hire left a bad taste in mouth’s!

[coonhounds]

That isn’t what I said either. Now you are just lying. 

Curious what level you played at? Not trying to dig just to get a grasp on your background?

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[cleeter]

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[coonhounds]

If this is your thread to wallow in misery and not willing to hear a single voice of opposition to the 50 posters saying the same “oh man, look at this, Woody is so dumb, fire him, well… we can’t yuh know… cuz Quinn.”  

 

All good, seriously. Said my peace many times and you can all doom and gloom together. I won’t come back until we have a resolution. Even if we go on a magical run or something crazy. Won’t come back and gloat. 

If we can get Pearl, fine. If not, it will be Woody, he will rebuild in portal when many thinks he can’t. He will then bounce right back into quality tourney team with some changes to staff and approach to a few things

See you in a few months when maybe everyone has chilled including me.

Don't leave we like hearing your opinion! This is the fire Woodson thread and your opinion will not be met with joy if your arguing against it relentlessly. We want the program to do better as do you. Start a thread called a case for mike Woodson and we can go there and see if you can convince us all that he is the right person leading this program!

 

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[rcbowla]

He's running away with the nomination for president of the Coach Mike Woodson Fan Club. Granted at this point it's almost uncontested.

And only takes 3 votes to be unanimous

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[Golfman25]

56 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

I don’t doubt you do but I said most, not all. Recruits can choose to talk about anything and I could post quote after quote of recruits bringing up the positive of the offensive system. 


Please do.  

[steubenhoosier]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

I think it's more along the lines of what would we expect an iu coach to be doing in year 4. I would say 25 wins and a sweet sixeteen really should be expected in year four. Top 4 in the conference. I don't see Woodson ever making a sweet sixeteen even if they gave him 7 years.

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In the history of IU basketball the only coach that meets your criteria is RMK. Crean had the wins and S16, but finished 5th in conference.

Your standards aren’t realistic for the history of the program.

[steubenhoosier]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

I would say 5% I think last year was his absolute ceiling. He is never going to have another tjd who can will his team to victory. Without tjd his ceiling is 20 wins max imo.

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What would you call what Ware did last night?

[8bucks]

5 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Don't leave we like hearing your opinion! This is the fire Woodson thread and your opinion will not be met with joy if your arguing against it relentlessly. We want the program to do better as do you. Start a thread called a case for mike Woodson and we can go there and see if you can convince us all that he is the right person leading this program!

 

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I almost did this as well. Personally I think Woody made a tactical recruiting mistake going after a select few highly ranked kids and over valuing our current guards.  But he was closer to landing a stud class and I believe I read where he had more top 20 Kids visit than any recent coach.  Had he hit on boogie and DQ with Liam things may look a lot differently. 
 

Unfortunately he missed and did not have a good back up plan besides the portal and then this year really raised a lot of concerns. But I bet we could find many of the posters in this thread enjoying where we thought we were when Trilly was posting hints about us landing the trio. Not only did he miss now it looks like he will have a lot of roster turnover and he will have a big rebuild. At his age, this does not seem plausible and I would agree with a change. 

[cleeter]

Let me get back to the “Fire Woodson” category….

Trilly dropped another positive note for us. I shall leave it at that.


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[Golfman25]

54 minutes ago, AnotherSznOnTheBrink said:

That isn’t true for 3 year spans. If guys truly have a green light, our 3p volume would be much higher. Guys at most levels, especially this level, have to be told not to shoot it. There is no way for 3 years in a row we just keep bringing in kids that don’t have enough confidence to volume shoot. They are very obviously coached to be selective. 

Gunn has yet to see a shot he doesn't like.  :)  

Being selective is important.  You want a good shot -- not just throwing them up for throwing them up's sake.  Your great shooters, shoot it early in the shot clock, fine.  Your marginal shooters should wait until late in the clock, because the odds aren't that great. 

The offense is actually a pretty simple system -- inside, out.  If they double team -- make the fkrs pay.   The problem we have is a) bigs who work themselves into a double and triple team and b) guys that can't hit the 3 point shot with any consistency.  A couple of consistent shooters, and the middle opens up for the big guys. 

[Uspshoosier]

Recruits can and will say anything about offensive systems and about the programs who are recruiting them it’s the posters job to read it and draw their own conclusion.  For example earlier in the year a recruit said they liked IUs system because they shot a lot of threes.  They said this when IU was in the bottom 10 out of 360 + teams.    Darius Garland said he picked Vandy because he wanted to win a national championship. He willing said that after picking Vandy over Kansas who clearly would have giving him a better chance.    Everyone knew he picked Vandy because it was the hometown team or maybe those pro style practices that Drew ran (joke).   Be careful trying to decipher the thoughts of an 18 year old in an awkward interview with a grown man 

[OKHOOSIER]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

I don’t doubt you do but I said most, not all. Recruits can choose to talk about anything and I could post quote after quote of recruits bringing up the positive of the offensive system. 
 

You have to try real hard to not see the opportunity to burry 3s all game long. We just don’t have many guys confident to shoot them. MM is the most but you can still tell he isn’t that confident.  
 

Most of the 3p shots coming from these teams is not some crazy system. Some do for sure but not most. They simply use a high screen, pull up or off a kick out.

Now big ten play as a whole, yeah. It for sure scares guards away. 
 

I mean this is a little disingenuous no? What is a recruit going to say with a microphone in their face? "Mike Woodson runs an archaic offense that values 2pt baskets and all his shooters are clearly hesitant." Of course you could pull "positive" quotes. All the positive quotes in the world do not mean anything compared to reality. We offered 31 high school players and 1 committed. Or if you are scoring at home, a .03% success rate. 

[Josh]

18 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

 I won’t come back until we have a resolution.