They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

1 minute ago, IndyHoops said:

Mike Davis had a pretty nice run at UAB and Detroit after IU as well…

Texas Southern was the other school he had success at. 

[rcbowla]

Last year was Dusty's 5th year at FAU and he took them to the final four... FAU. 
Sure, he may not turn things around instantly. People are still gonna have more patience for May than Woody, yes. 
Woody is nearing retirement and has no recruiting momentum. That right there has his tenure dead in the water. It would be different if we had more guys signed. Relying on the portal to build an entire team is partly where people are so frustrated. How can we be optimistic about a team that doesn't exist yet where 6-9 guys who don't even know it right now will be playing for us? 
With that much roster turnover, it won't be totally dissimilar to the environment Crean (yes the context is massively different). Between his current team that he can take with him, his ties with the state, and track record building FAU... I am comfortable with that risk vs. this known quantity.
I do think most fans would be on board with the idea of giving Dusty May at LEAST 4 seasons, to answer your Q.

I think it's circumstantial on how long the fan base would give Dusty. As long as there was progress from year to year and sustained recruiting momentum I think people would give him time. Hell, if Woody would've landed Fland I think people would be more willing to give him next year. You have to give the fans a reason to have faith in you. We haven't had that from a coach since Knight for various reasons.


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[Hoosier DaDa]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Just wait, Woodson is going to revolutionize the game.....1 out 4 in offense.

He just needs his guys.

[CSP]

5 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

So, what’s the plan for point guard next year?

good friggin question

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Hoosier DaDa said:

He just needs his guys.

Yep, 5 centers. And they'll still give up 10 offensive rebounds.

[JF87]

7 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Just wait, Woodson is going to revolutionize the game.....1 out 4 in offense.

And we would still suck at rebounding. 

[Hornsby]

Print out a list of guards 6'4 or taller and throw darts at them. Whoever we hit we go after

Seems like he will first have recruit the current players hard to at least get some to stay so he doesn't have fill 10 spots in the portal. Woodsoon won't have time for much golf this spring.

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[Hovadipo]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But what I don't understand is why BYU shoots all those 3's. Is that allowed?

Our next coach claims that those are worth more than 2's. Working to confirm.

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

27 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You are both right, that many wouldn’t have and even if we did take Jay Wright, he would have been fired before he had a chance to become Jay Wright. 
 

So, are we all in agreement that the majority of the fanbase will allow Dusty to learn on the job. Take many years to become a what this fanbase wants? Which is way better than what Crean was? I can’t see that at all. So you are banking on Dusty being the man from day one. No down years in year 3/4 or 5.
 

The option for a guy like Dusty was when we hired Archie. Now 2 coaches later, either the expectations with fans have to reset or… we can’t hire him.

It's hard to say my friend. I just want this program to be respected once again. I want to compete for championships. I want to see a well coached product on the floor. Archie didn't bring that in 4 years here and he isn't bringing it at Rhode Island so far. Coach Woodson hasn't brought that in 3 years and is trending the wrong direction. 

[Banksyrules]

1 hour ago, Trish said:

Remember who was right about Woodson first Chris? ;)

Only reason you were right first is because I was too angry to write until the 23rd page lol

[Golfman25]

16 minutes ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

Texas Southern was the other school he had success at. 

Kind of the story of a guy who found his spot after following a legend.  (Save for this year.  :)   )  

[Golfman25]

17 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I think it's circumstantial on how long the fan base would give Dusty. As long as there was progress from year to year and sustained recruiting momentum I think people would give him time. Hell, if Woody would've landed Fland I think people would be more willing to give him next year. You have to give the fans a reason to have faith in you. We haven't had that from a coach since Knight for various reasons.


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Exactly.  If there was more than one kid coming in, and we could see the start of a longer term foundation, we could chalk this up as one of those years.  Problem is we don't even have that hope.  

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

Just now, Ngw7183 said:

That I know we all want and for me, get the sure thing or wait and find it. No more chances. If you can’t, wait for it and keep working all next year to find that guy. What is one more year and who knows, maybe Woody surprises the majority and kills it next year. 

Just curious, what is the "sure thing". How would you define that? Who would be a "sure thing" in your opinion?

[HoosierHoopster]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

Just curious, what is the "sure thing". How would you define that? Who would be a "sure thing" in your opinion?

Brad Stevens!!

(my ongoing quest for a ban by Stuhoo ... :)

[J34]

3 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Lol I didn't say his production was key, as Woodson said he didn't play particularly well but his energy and some leadership seemed (imo) to contribute. I'm not big on just dissing guys on stats. He also shot 2-3 and 1-2 from the arc for 5 points. That wasn't the point.

That's not dissing guys on stats, those were literally his stats. However,  I will diss a 6th year, 24 year old man for the way he has represented this team/university with his dirty play and uncalled for actions. Leaders don't lead this way. 

[IndyHoops]

21 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Get one from the portal. Will be easy to do. Seriously.

I would also encourage those who don’t look beyond IU much to look at all the best PGs across the country. So many of them were transfers. 

“Will be easy to do”… that’s what’s bothering me. Finding a play making, three point threat, B10 ready starting point guard isn’t going to be “easy” for this staff. You feel this staff can rebuild this roster by convincing players that the offense is going to completely change…. I don’t. And that’s just one spot. Thinking about 5+ spots more is not going to be “easy”.

And what if they don’t land a starting point guard? What then?

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[Hornsby]

Exactly.  If there was more than one kid coming in, and we could see the start of a longer term foundation, we could chalk this up as one of those years.  Problem is we don't even have that hope.  

If he had landed some guys last fall things may be different. It would at least give some hope but they made like 35 offers and got one guy. Missing fland after going all in was a massive blow to woodson

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

18 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Get one from the portal. Will be easy to do. Seriously.

I would also encourage those who don’t look beyond IU much to look at all the best PGs across the country. So many of them were transfers. 

So how did that work for us last year?  And I don't want that song and dance that having X and Gallo scared them off.  If the portal guards were that good they'd have jumped in a heartbeat knowing minutes were there for the taking.

[Hoosier DaDa]

14 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

“Will be easy to do”… that’s what’s bothering me. Finding a play making, three point threat, B10 ready starting point guard isn’t going to be “easy” for this staff. You feel this staff can rebuild this roster by convincing players that the offense is going to completely change…. I don’t. And that’s just one spot. Thinking about 5+ spots more is not going to be “easy”.

And what if they don’t land a starting point guard? What then?

We got Cupps and Gallo (this is sarcasm)

[SamIam]

57 minutes ago, JF87 said:

TJ Otzelberger is an up-and-coming P6 coach at Iowa State.  He's never won the Big 12 or Big 12 Tournament, but he's made the NCAA Tournament.  Is that "proven"?  Would Otzelberger even consider the IU job as an upgrade?  An up-and-coming mid-major coach may be our only option.  

Good post. Almost every program builds through hiring those up and coming guys, we are lucky to have the top up-and-comer be an alum. 

One note: I like TJ Otz a lot, but from what I hear he is very entrenched at ISU. Multiple stints as an Asst there. Super close with the AD, cosy with their donor base. Not impossible for him to leave but I would be shocked.