They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Golfman25]

59 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

I’ve heard that “forced” isn’t the right word, “talked him into it” is more accurate.

And that makes more sense with the Matta/Fife idea.  Like Dolson knew it was risky, so he brought in some college lifers to help and Woody blew them off.  And here we are.  

[Kentuckysucks]

31 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Buckner coaching record in the nba was .169 so he probably thinks oodson is overachieving

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But at least we have Armond Hill, Woody's right hand man, who was 2-25 and 0-14 in conference play as a HC at Columbia.

[str8baller]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The difference being, if ya fire them too soon and too often, no one worth a crap wants to take on the job , or at least not when they have other good options

People say that because it makes intuitive sense to us normies who value things like job security. But has a program really ever been harmed by firing people too quickly?  
 

Coaching at this level, by its nature, attracts people with self confidence and low preference for things like job security. 
 

If anything, I could see it affecting contract negotiations more than the actual attraction of talent.  
 

What’s the opportunity cost of keeping coaches too long and running your program into the gutter?

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Wonder how everything would have played out had Archie been fired under President Whitten's administration and not under a president that didn't know the difference between a basketball and a cucumber.

Also wonder what the dynamics are between President Whitten and the BOT regarding athletics in particular.

[Herotime]

@Chris007 what’s the scoop on the frontlines? Anyone packing boxes? Any confrontations or screaming matches to report?

[Hornsby]

But at least we have Armond Hill, Woody's right hand man, who was 2-25 and 0-14 in conference play as a HC at Columbia.

Him too and Wittman who was a .400 nba coach.

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[Trish]

Woodson was obviously not qualified for this position and the red flags should’ve been apparent from the day he was hired.
 

Scott Dolson brings in Fife and Matta to “help” Woodson adjust to the college level, sounds like a dream come true with that experience. Woodson ends up running both those guys off after one season. Woodson hired within Archie’s staff, why? Maybe he knew them prior, I doubt it. But he knew no one that could come and help win the college game and instead hired his buddy Armond Hill, who is 70 years old. He consults with other former NBA scouts on gameplay and lets the assistants recruit. 
 

Shouldn’t have Woodson hired some elite recruiters? Promoting the former DOBO from Archie’s staff and keeping Kenya seems like a backwards @$$ move. New head coaches never retain former staff members, neither on the men nor women’s side. That was a major red flag from day one. 
 

Dolson put himself into this mess by hiring an unqualified coach who is stuck on the days when he was a former coach of the Atlanta Hawks. No NBA organizations hired him as a head coach after his stint with the Knicks, there’s a reason why I’m sure which explains why he spent almost a decade as an assistant coach.
 

This was a horrible hire. It’s not going to work out. He’ll get another year unfortunately but he’s not the guy for the job. 

[coonhounds]

Woodson was obviously not qualified for this position and the red flags should’ve been apparent from the day he was hired.
 
Scott Dolson brings in Fife and Matta to “help” Woodson adjust to the college level, sounds like a dream come true with that experience. Woodson ends up running both those guys off after one season. Woodson hired within Archie’s staff, why? Maybe he knew them prior, I doubt it. But he knew no one that could come and help win the college game and instead hired his buddy Armond Hill, who is 70 years old. He consults with other former NBA scouts on gameplay and lets the assistants recruit. 
 
Shouldn’t have Woodson hired some elite recruiters? Promoting the former DOBO from Archie’s staff and keeping Kenya seems like a backwards @$$ move. New head coaches never retain former staff members, neither on the men nor women’s side. That was a major red flag from day one. 
 
Dolson put himself into this mess by hiring a stubble coach who is stuck on the days when he was a former coach of the Atlanta Hawks. No NBA organizations hired him as a head coach after his stint with the Knicks, there’s a reason why I’m sure which explains why he spent almost a decade as an assistant coach.
 
This was a horrible hire. It’s not going to work out. He’ll get another year unfortunately but he’s not the guy for the job. 

He's not getting another year if he doesn't correct this mess. Not sure why people keep trying to push that narrative. Things are bad and worse yet the games aren't entertaining. The people in charge will not risk having another year of this.

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[Trish]

6 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

He's not getting another year if he doesn't correct this mess. Not sure why people keep trying to push that narrative. Things are bad and worse yet the games aren't entertaining. The people in charge will not risk having another year of this.

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Hey I hope you’re right. I mean most of us thought Tom Allen would be here another year. 
 

But I don’t see Dolson having the balls to fire an Indiana guy after he just made the tournament two years in a row* 

 

If they lose out, which is possible, then I could see a world where Woodson is gone this spring. 

[AZ Hoosier]

18 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

He's not getting another year if he doesn't correct this mess. Not sure why people keep trying to push that narrative. Things are bad and worse yet the games aren't entertaining. The people in charge will not risk having another year of this.

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It's more apparent to me that "the people in charge" just don't care. I wish they would prove me wrong...

[Hornsby]

He's not getting another year if he doesn't correct this mess. Not sure why people keep trying to push that narrative. Things are bad and worse yet the games aren't entertaining. The people in charge will not risk having another year of this.

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Because alot of us think quinn will protect his buddy. Hope I am wrong

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[Scotty R]

I  have a question?

I see where people say the administration wants to devalue the basketball program.

I see people saying the BOT runs everything and the president runs everything (Buckner)

My question is why would Buckner want to devalue the basketball program that he helped built. Yes he made a huge mistake of hiring Woodson but it wasn't due to him wanting to devalue basketball.

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Trish said:

Hey I hope you’re right. I mean most of us thought Tom Allen would be here another year. 
 

But I don’t see Dolson having the balls to fire an Indiana guy after he just made the tournament two years in a row* 

 

If they lose out, which is possible, then I could see a world where Woodson is gone this spring. 

We have two home games in a week.  One v Northwestern who is going to need that win.  And Nebraska who has already kicked our butt and took IL to OT.  If we lose those two, does the chit hit the fan?

[Hoosier987]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

We have two home games in a week.  One v Northwestern who is going to need that win.  And Nebraska who has already kicked our butt and took IL to OT.  If we lose those two, does the chit hit the fan?

That would be bad.

[AZ Hoosier]

13 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I  have a question?

I see where people say the administration wants to devalue the basketball program.

I see people saying the BOT runs everything and the president runs everything (Buckner)

My question is why would Buckner want to devalue the basketball program that he helped built. Yes he made a huge mistake of hiring Woodson but it wasn't due to him wanting to devalue basketball.

I asked that same question a day or two ago... my understanding is that Buckner controls the BOT who controls everything... that's how it was explained to me... but, like you, I cannot understand why Buckner would damage the basketball program which was his claim to fame, and the basis for who and what he is... it's puzzling... 

[Golfman25]

7 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

That would be bad.

Bad, but increasingly likely.  

[AZ Hoosier]

8 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

We have two home games in a week.  One v Northwestern who is going to need that win.  And Nebraska who has already kicked our butt and took IL to OT.  If we lose those two, does the chit hit the fan?

Hasn't it already hit the fan? Every additional loss at this point is another nail in Woodson's coffin as IU coach...

[Golfman25]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I asked that same question a day or two ago... my understanding is that Buckner controls the BOT who controls everything... that's how it was explained to me... but, like you, I cannot understand why Buckner would damage the basketball program which was his claim to fame, and the basis for who and what he is... it's puzzling... 

Which gives hope for the "Hey Mike, time to retire" crowd.  

[Banksyrules]

10 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I  have a question?

I see where people say the administration wants to devalue the basketball program.

I see people saying the BOT runs everything and the president runs everything (Buckner)

My question is why would Buckner want to devalue the basketball program that he helped built. Yes he made a huge mistake of hiring Woodson but it wasn't due to him wanting to devalue basketball.

Power/control/own legacy. I used to be in the athletics departments at Duke and UNC and now work as independent advisor to Duke and UNC. I get usually called when departments need issues that have to be addressed.  Power/control/ legacy are powerful reasons to harm a department you helped build. It's hard to let go of that and tough to accept that maybe your (in this case Buckner I guess) the reason the program is failing.  

[AZ Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

Power/control/own legacy. I used to be in the athletics departments at Duke and UNC and now work as independent advisor to Duke and UNC. I get usually called when departments need issues that have to be addressed.  Power/control/ legacy are powerful reasons to harm a department you helped build. It's hard to let go of that and tough to accept that maybe your (in this case Buckner I guess) the reason the program is failing.  

I suppose that I get that up to a point... but surely Buckner can see that the wheels are coming off... I mean, the rest of us can, how could he miss it? #enquiringminds