They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971]

8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

After the last 8 years of coaching this fanbase has had to put up with pretty much every coach with a pulse deserves a mention. Even the 90 year old B1G studio analyst deserves a mention (only half joking, Beilein) 

I mean when Brad Stevens inevitably says no and Dusty May signs his extension here in the next couple of weeks, guys like Ben McCollum and Jerrod Calhoun not only become realistic candidates but likely options. Not sure why those guys are a definitive yes and Pitino Jr an emphatic no? Of those three, only one has coached at the Power 5 level (with some moderate success) and taken a team to the NCAAT. Hint, it's not Calhoun or McCollum. I don't think Richard Pitino Jr is going to be the coach here but to act like he's not worthy of discussion is asinine. 

[IUFAN1976]

13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

I think he would make a great coach, I am sure he played one on tv

[IUHoosierJoe]

19 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If the coach at New Mexico was named anything but Richard Pitino Jr I suspect this board would want IU to take a long, hard look at him. He's 66-26 over the course of the last 2.5 seasons and has a decent chance of being ranked here in the next couple hours. 

Steve Alford was 76-26 his first three years at New Mexico.  Let’s throw him in, too.

[Mr. Hoosier Pride]

I mean when Brad Stevens inevitably says no and Dusty May signs his extension here in the next couple of weeks, guys like Ben McCollum and Jerrod Calhoun not only become realistic candidates but likely options. Not sure why those guys are a definitive yes and Pitino Jr an emphatic no? Of those three, only one has coached at the Power 5 level (with some moderate success) and taken a team to the NCAAT. Hint, it's not Calhoun or McCollum. I don't think Richard Pitino Jr is going to be the coach here but to act like he's not worthy of discussion is asinine. 

If you're Dusty and even remotely interested in the upcoming opening at IU, why even entertain the idea of an extension mid-season? If you think IU is a legitimate option, you're telling your AD "Hey I appreciate that vote of confidence, bu I need to focus on the season. Let's pick this up after the tournament. "

It shows his hand, sure, but he's got all the leverage in the world if they're trying to extend him now to keep him from IU.

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[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Steve Alford was 76-26 his first three years at New Mexico.  Let’s throw him in, too.

Nah, he's proven time and time again he can't coach at the P5 level.

I'm not going to hold Pitino Jr's tenure at Minnesota at the ages of 30-38 against him in the sense that he doesn't deserve a P5 job again. He gained valuable experience at a tough place to win and is re-inventing himself down at New Mexico and has done a phenomenal job. He'll be coaching at the P5 level somewhere next year. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

4 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Steve Alford was 76-26 his first three years at New Mexico.  Let’s throw him in, too.

I will turn in my btb secret decoder ring if Steve Alford is ever our head coach.

[Rico]

14 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Please don't do that because that would only be a negative. Our fans need to stop contacting players and coaches because we t makes us look bad especially if it is negative 

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

If you're Dusty and even remotely interested in the upcoming opening at IU, why even entertain the idea of an extension mid-season? If you think IU is a legitimate option, you're telling your AD "Hey I appreciate that vote of confidence, bu I need to focus on the season. Let's pick this up after the tournament. "

It shows his hand, sure, but he's got all the leverage in the world if they're trying to extend him now to keep him from IU.

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Because I would never turn down a $1-2 million/yr pay bump from my current employer? 

[Hoosier DaDa]

20 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah his security guy at IUPD has been telling people that Woodson told him this is his last season because IU wants Stevens.

Did the security guy tell Woodson that we wanted Stevens 4 years ago and not Woody. Woody scratches his head and say no I was first choice.

[Demo]

20 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If the coach at New Mexico was named anything but Richard Pitino Jr I suspect this board would want IU to take a long, hard look at him. He's 66-26 over the course of the last 2.5 seasons and has a decent chance of being ranked here in the next couple hours. 

I agree with that. And I’m willing to bat around absolutely anybody because every great coach in the history of sports has at some point in their career not been viewed as great. The Bob Knight who got the IU job wouldn’t get it now. Beilein’s a HOFer and didn’t get a HM job until he was 51. Underwood’s a top 3 guy in the B1G and didn’t get 1 until he was 50. Bill Belichick straight up failed in Cleveland. Not saying some random dude in the MEAC is the right guy here, almost certainly not, just saying record and name recognition are not close to the sole criterion to find the Guy. That’s what makes this thought exercise fun.

[Artie86]

14 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Please don't do that because that would only be a negative. Our fans need to stop contacting players and coaches because we t makes us look bad especially if it is negative 

....I wasn't encouraging or promoting it, I was just wondering. Good point though. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

20 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Woodson can’t say much, Buckner is not on the train as much as he was last season. All big donors are ready to move on. 

Because they are tired of Buckner and Woody doing this to their…

[Stuhoo]

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

[GloryDays]

44 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Now that is how an IU coaching search goes. We thought we had Hurley and Oates lined up but instead, let me introduce you to Hall & Oates

I cant go for that

No can do.

[LamarCheeks]

7 minutes ago, Demo said:

I agree with that. And I’m willing to bat around absolutely anybody because every great coach in the history of sports has at some point in their career not been viewed as great. The Bob Knight who got the IU job wouldn’t get it now. Beilein’s a HOFer and didn’t get a HM job until he was 51. Underwood’s a top 3 guy in the B1G and didn’t get 1 until he was 50. Bill Belichick straight up failed in Cleveland. Not saying some random dude in the MEAC is the right guy here, almost certainly not, just saying record and name recognition are not close to the sole criterion to find the Guy. That’s what makes this thought exercise fun.

Don't disagree. And in that vein, K really had no business getting the Duke job. In today's world -- he's probably gone after three seasons there. 

(I don't know why -- I just find it funny that we're talking about Richie Pitino at IU!) 

[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Are you intrigued/interested?

 

[IUHoosierJoe]

22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

He wouldn't be at the very top of my list, but I do like him.  :)

[Chris007]

27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

Yeah he makes my short list but only if several say no first

[go iu bb]

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

If the coach at New Mexico was named anything but Richard Pitino Jr I suspect this board would want IU to take a long, hard look at him. He's 66-26 over the course of the last 2.5 seasons and has a decent chance of being ranked here in the next couple hours. 

It's funny that you think it's his name people are opposed to instead of his dismal coaching record, including a stop at a B1G school. Even at NM, he's only won 64% overall and 52% of conference games. So I'm going to have to disagree with you that if he had a different name the board would think differently of him.

Or do you mean if he didn't have the FIU and Minnesota jobs on his resume? Then he'd be in just year 4 as a HC and, while having a decent year, not exactly setting the world on fire. So I don't think we'd be too enamored with him even then.

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Nah, he's proven time and time again he can't coach at the P5 level.

I'm not going to hold Pitino Jr's tenure at Minnesota at the ages of 30-38 against him in the sense that he doesn't deserve a P5 job again. He gained valuable experience at a tough place to win and is re-inventing himself down at New Mexico and has done a phenomenal job. He'll be coaching at the P5 level somewhere next year. 

Since you defended Woodson for so long, it's not surprising that you think Pitino Jr has done a phenomenal job at NM. He's having a good year but to say he's been phenomenal is quite a stretch.

But compared to Woodson, those numbers do look a bit better, I'll give you that.

Pitino has 3 more wins/3 less losses overall along with 3 games over .500 instead of just 1 in conference. So much better. I'll grant you that Pitino's teams are getting better while Woodson's are getting worse. But still...

[IU22]

18 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah he makes my short list but only if several say no first

Who??