They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[WoodywithaL]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

This is more likely: 

Where did you get my picture?

[Eagle’s Rug]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Winning instantly (because of the portal) doesn't translate to building and establishing a culture. We've had one coach do that the last 25 years (Crean) and he was by far and away our best coach since RMK. The portal alleviates 6-25 seasons in year 1, but if you're buying 7-8 guys every single offseason, you aren't building or establishing anything. 

I'd much rather a coach spend his first year or two identifying, developing, and building a culture that sets up for much further long term success regardless of record than purchasing a bunch of rentals because it might mean you win 20 games and play in the NCAAT. Call me old school, call me an outlier, call me whatever you want but you aren't going to eliminate 30+ years of frustration in one or two seasons because of the portal. That I promise.

So Woodson’s lazy approach to recruiting and over reliance on the portal to make up for that must have really turned you off.

[Deserthoozier]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

The whole extortion thing with his assistant coach was weird and I'm sure that played a part. But I do think Mack is one of the few coaches with the personality, the demeanor, and the ego to handle a job with this kind of noise. 

On Mack, if there was ever a ‘wish I could do that one over’ moment, it’s got to be when he tried to entrap Dino Gaudio while privately recording his ask to stay on or get paid, which immediately reversed on Mack and became the catalyst for his firing w/out a buyout! Bet he wishes he just Armond Hill’ed Gaudio and given him $200k to just sit on the bench and cheer. (I know, that’s more than Armond does most games, but same idea). He brought the AD the recording, and the AD got a huge smile and said ‘thank you so much…you don’t know how valuable this is!’ They certainly DGAF about ‘optics’.

On your past…you’ve got to own it bruh! Giving Woody a FOURTH year was a really poor decision on many fronts. Optics be damned…no one cares or talks about ‘optics’ when you’re winning and making a big run in the tournament. Woody hadn’t shown much coaching chops, was carried by Trayce for two years…and had a lot of other red flag that had surfaced at the end of last season. A coach who believes in himself will step right up and accept the $10M+ to take a chance at greatness. One who’s worried about optics, shouldn’t be your guy to start with. In fact, focusing on optics and not on creating a winning culture has been at the root of the great deal of administrative malfeasance we’ve had to suffer the past 20 or so years!

 

[WeeDerkaNaut]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

Yea.  Our fans aren’t that bad.  Just a bunch of nice midwesterners.  Woody only ran into issues when his program completely imploded on the court and recruiting.  It was all his fault. 

Heck, we were not good last year and still had a huge fan showing at MSG and Atlanta.  Home attendance was good too for a bad team ranked in the 90’s.

Coaches should know how to manage fans, it’s not hard.  Fans are a valuable asset like you said — they cheer and donate.  They might get mad online — who cares.  If a coach praises the fans and takes accountability for results, fans will give the coach quite a bit of leeway.  Woody did the opposite, which doesn’t pair well with the awful results he produces.

Exactly, and one of my goals as a HC would be to make our fan base cheer and yell for us as loud as they possibly can. Our fanbase can get extremely loud in support, you just have to give them a reason to :D

[AnotherSznOnTheBrink]

24 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

We don't hire the "wrong" coaches. We hire the best available candidates. Those thinking IU voluntarily hired Archie over Billy Donovan or chose to retain Woodson over Bruce Pearl don't live in an accepted reality. Anybody who operates on the line of thinking that the IU job is one you cannot turn down hasn't been paying attention the last few decades.

The IU job is a good job as in it: a) pays well b) gives you the resources to succeed c) rewards you for success

But to think that the IU job is on a tier of its own is pure nonsense. It isn't.  

If a shoebox applied last go around, then we didn’t hire the right candidate. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

4 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I can verify all of this and have heard none from AP2345. I will add that Brad's dad is an IU grad and I think he really wants Brad to coach IU while he is still able to enjoy it. Or so I've been told. There is more but that is the gist of it

Got to make dad happy with no delay so come on down to BTown Brad and save the day.

ps: will be here all week 

[jumpshot53]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Winning instantly (because of the portal) doesn't translate to building and establishing a culture. We've had one coach do that the last 25 years (Crean) and he was by far and away our best coach since RMK. The portal alleviates 6-25 seasons in year 1, but if you're buying 7-8 guys every single offseason, you aren't building or establishing anything. 

I'd much rather a coach spend his first year or two identifying, developing, and building a culture that sets up for much further long term success regardless of record than purchasing a bunch of rentals because it might mean you win 20 games and play in the NCAAT. Call me old school, call me an outlier, call me whatever you want but you aren't going to eliminate 30+ years of frustration in one or two seasons because of the portal. That I promise.

Woodson's culture wouldn't change no matter how he got his players.  He can't coach good basketball.  There are coaches doing just fine with putting their teams together.   Woodson just can't coach winning basketball.

[Uspshoosier]

February 25 2023 at Purdue was the last time this fan base enjoyed a win over a top team.  People wonder why the fan base is angry and hungry to move in a different direction.  
 

[Juwan Moye]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

February 25 2023 at Purdue was the last time this fan base enjoyed a win over a top team.  People wonder why the fan base is angry and hungry to move in a different direction.  
 

On a scale of 1 to Armond Hill, how tired are fans of this?

[Chris007]

32 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Can you have him ask for a new basketball coach?  :)  

I don't think Cig wants himself or his players around the basketball program. He's afraid something will rub off

[nerdvana]

[OldBuddy67]

12 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

On a scale of 1 to Armond Hill, how tired are fans of this?

Woodson loves havin sleepy Armond around because it makes him look/feel less lazy!

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, OldBuddy67 said:

Woodson loves havin sleepy Armond around because it makes him look/feel less lazy!

I wonder if Woodson is not on the plane later today would Armond still go? Or just in general if we retire Woodson will Armond step down too mid-season

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Chris007 said:

I wonder if Woodson is not on the plane later today would Armond still go? Or just in general if we retire Woodson will Armond step down too mid-season

Pretty much guaranteed that Woody's last game on the IU bench will also be Armond's last game on the IU bench. Now watch them name Armond the interim coach, as the only one on that bench that has college head coaching experience.

[Silat Player]

48 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

We don't hire the "wrong" coaches. We hire the best available candidates. Those thinking IU voluntarily hired Archie over Billy Donovan or chose to retain Woodson over Bruce Pearl don't live in an accepted reality. Anybody who operates on the line of thinking that the IU job is one you cannot turn down hasn't been paying attention the last few decades.

The IU job is a good job as in it: a) pays well b) gives you the resources to succeed c) rewards you for success

But to think that the IU job is on a tier of its own is pure nonsense. It isn't.  

Now I know you're trolling. Woody was absolutely NOT the "best available coach." 

Dude had ZERO college basketball coaching experience. 

I'm sure that IU could've hired a coach with college basketball experience...

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Ohhhh good point, assuming we will travel to Columbus today it’ll be interesting to see who is on the flight, maybe? Potentially? Realistically don’t think anything will happen til after these next two games though.

[GloryDays]

4 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Just a reminder for those if you don’t get your guy A, B, C or even D there are plenty of good college basketball coaches coaching today that could take over and turn this around.  Doesn’t have to be the name brand coach to get this thing rolling.   Also if and that will be a big if Stevens becomes head coach and he doesn’t turn IU around then that’s all she wrote for IU basketball.   He is the White Whale for almost every IU fan.  If he can’t fix it then I would say most fans will check out 

Yep, and he knows that too.

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Ohhhh good point, assuming we will travel to Columbus today it’ll be interesting to see who is on the flight, maybe? Potentially? Realistically don’t think anything will happen til after these next two games though.

Flight leaves at 4:09

[Hoosierfanyuh]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Flight leaves at 4:09

See this is the info I come here for , not the ongoing meaningless arguments about nothing hahap

[IUFAN1976]

27 minutes ago, jumpshot53 said:

Woodson's culture wouldn't change no matter how he got his players.  He can't coach good basketball.  There are coaches doing just fine with putting their teams together.   Woodson just can't coach winning basketball.

Exactly but why is that?  Because he doesn’t have a system to recruit to and his culture is allowing the inmates to run the asylum