They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda]

13 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

He won 4 national championships, Maybe at a different level but he built a winning culture. Also any coach you hire is not a sure fire guarantee. Just because one mid major failed doesn't mean you shy away from other mid major coaches.

RMK Army to IU

Coach K Army to Duke

Calhoun Northeastern to UCONN

Oats Buffalo to Alabama

Hurley Rhode Island to UCONN

 

Yea, every midmajor coach is not automatically Archie.  There are great ones in those ranks.  But, we need Scott to figure out which ones work at IU if we go that route.  I can’t really tell from a distance.

[Stuhoo]

51 minutes ago, Papacap said:

My concern is if we don’t get Stevens, we end up with Woody part 2. I don’t think it will happen if Dolson has a say. But my main concern isn’t that we miss yet again on Stevens. That’s just Tuesday around here. 

The range of possibilities that aren’t Stevens or Woodson and can be extremely successful are many.

Here’s to getting a truly professional coach, and one that has at least 10-15 years left in the profession.

Getting hopes up for an ‘exciting’ hire is all good and some of those exciting hires also fall into the ‘excellent chance of succeeding’ category. But I don’t give a flying **** about winning the press conference. Give me an IU version of Pat Kelsey

[ap2345]

Comparing McCollum to Archie is criminal. Everyone wins at Dayton 

[JSHoosier]

9 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

Other coaches had success at Dayton just to bomb elsewhere, not that unusual with them.

McCollum was DII, sure, but absolutely dominated, won 81% of his games; had 3 seasons where he didn't atleast tie for the conference lead (those were in his first 4 seasons), and 6 where he didn't atleast make the DII Sweet 16 oh and 5 national titles and several COY awards. Now has Drake at 20-2 with some wins over high majors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McCollum

All he did was win.

[ronzo4IU]

2 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

 

Woodson was up for it, but they refused to separate their lockers... and Woodson had already fired Adam Howard...

lol…what a waste of a covid year

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Other coaches had success at Dayton just to bomb elsewhere, not that unusual with them.

McCollum was DII, sure, but absolutely dominated, won 81% of his games; had 3 seasons where he didn't atleast tie for the conference lead (those were in his first 4 seasons), and 6 where he didn't atleast make the DII Sweet 16 oh and 5 national titles and several COY awards. Now has Drake at 20-2 with some wins over high majors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McCollum

All he did was win.

Yes. Worth noting at Drake, he’s doing this with 4/7 rotation players having come with him from D2. Very impressive winning at this level with that kind of talent. 

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Comparing McCollum to Archie is criminal. Everyone wins at Dayton 

It’s not just that. Archie was far far FAR more experienced at this level. He was a P5 player, a P5 assistant coach, and a deep run NCAA tournament head coach.

Until this season McCollum had quite literally never had any association with a D1 program; not as a player, a grad assistant, or as an assistant coach.

He might succeed greatly, but he would be an extremely risky choice.

[lillurk]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Yes. Worth noting at Drake, he’s doing this with 4/7 rotation players having come with him from D2. Very impressive winning at this level with that kind of talent. 

And I will say until I’m blue in the face: EVERYBODY at IU gets dudes. That has never been the problem. NIL makes that even easier in some ways, I would guess. 

[Home Jersey]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The range of possibilities that aren’t Stevens or Woodson and can be extremely successful are many.

Here’s to getting a truly professional coach, and one that has at least 10-15 years left in the profession.

Getting hopes up for an ‘exciting’ hire is all good and some of those exciting hires also fall into the ‘excellent chance of succeeding’ category. But I don’t give a flying **** about winning the press conference. Give me an IU version of Pat Kelsey

This, a million times over. Absolutely. 

[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Yes. Worth noting at Drake, he’s doing this with 4/7 rotation players having come with him from D2. Very impressive winning at this level with that kind of talent. 

Didn't realize that.

I was wrong on his national titles, just 4, but he was still just dominant.

[str8baller]

18 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

In the macro sense, he’s not. In the micro sense…well that’s the ADs call.  
 

Moving up the coaching ranks is like moving up the fighting ranks. You’ll never know if you’re a champ, a contender or just a gatekeeper until you get the shot. The thing about the B1G is that nearly every coach is better than the best coach in Drakes conf.   
 

For every Bo Ryan there’s a Steve Alford. And for every Alford there’s a Todd Lickliter. 

[MikeRoberts]

28 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

He hinted about a week ago for Chris to dm him to see if info matched up. We never heard anything else.

He did that publicly instead of just actually DMing… 

[realTomCrean]

It is kind of crazy to me that Steve Alford was never the choice in the last 25 years

[rcbowla]

9 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Other coaches had success at Dayton just to bomb elsewhere, not that unusual with them.

McCollum was DII, sure, but absolutely dominated, won 81% of his games; had 3 seasons where he didn't atleast tie for the conference lead (those were in his first 4 seasons), and 6 where he didn't atleast make the DII Sweet 16 oh and 5 national titles and several COY awards. Now has Drake at 20-2 with some wins over high majors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McCollum

All he did was win.

Google him

[Pagoda]

32 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

He [Yeagley] hinted about a week ago for Chris to dm him to see if info matched up. We never heard anything else.

Hopefully Woody’s burner brigade didn’t get to him!

[Unexpectedflash]

I’ve watched probably half of drakes games. Ben’s a good coach. He’d have to change his offense though to win a title at this level. But he’s a smart guy as evidenced by all his wins so hopefully he would do that

[Hoosierfanyuh]

We should just stay focused on Stevens :-)

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s not just that. Archie was far far FAR more experienced at this level. He was a P5 player, a P5 assistant coach, and a deep run NCAA tournament head coach.

Until this season McCollum had quite literally never had any association with a D1 program; not as a player, a grad assistant, or as an assistant coach.

True, and the second paragraph will carry a varying amount of weight for everyone. Totally get that being a drawback for some. I just value time and success as a HC very highly and he has that in spades. It’s not that I view assistant coach experience as a drawback in any way but I like the mold of a guy who has spent majority of his time as a HC whether it’s D2, HS, or low major. I have minimal concerns about the jump to P5 based on Drakes success this year against major programs. That said I don’t think he should necessarily be a top 3-5 candidate this cycle. But I would not be upset in the slightest to have him here for the next 20 years. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

He did that publicly instead of just actually DMing… 

He was on a flight and it was easier to just reply to a post. 

[steubenhoosier]

19 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I am not as familiar with McCollum as many here but I believe the case for him is basically that he’s won a remarkable number of championships below D1.

I was a mild Archie skeptic because 1) Dayton is a high-floor program and Arch didn’t stand WAY out overall, 2) going to the elite 8 is great but one nice tournament run is a thin track record without other factors, 3) Arch had been a lesser coach than his brother (admittedly with less time to do it) and was partially riding his reputation plus, to a lesser degree, other coaches he was connected to, and 4) no record of being truly consistently excellent either overall or on one side of the ball from an efficiency standpoint; if I recall he never had a top 25 O or D at Dayton on Kenpom.

A guy like that can work out! But a lot of somewhat flimsy stuff was carrying water for him and it turned out it was, indeed, flimsy.

#2 describes Dusty . That’s why there is a fair amount of skepticism about him being the best candidate