They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

they are for sale sure, but are they not competing at the highest level?  Did they not just win an NBA championship?  Do they not have a damn good roster?  Parden me for not paying attention to the NBA lol

 

Yes, payrolls continue to rise, that is for every team.  You have to spend money to make it to the top. That is the cost of putting together a championship caliber team in todays day and age.  you have one offs that make it on a lower cap level but more times than not it's the teams spending the money find their way at the top at the end of the season.  

 

Someone will buy the celtics and their financial situation will be resolved.  It is the freaking celtics lol

Here's the problem. The Celtics are for sale. Anytime a new owner comes in there's a chance they will want their own front office people. The other thing is the Celtics have a very expensive roster that doesn't have much wiggle room. They are over the second apron with restricts what kind of moves they can make with their roster. Next year they are losing key pieces and some pieces are getting older. They will have an even more expensive roster next year with very little flexibility. There's a good chance they are headed towards having to trade some dudes and rebuild in the very near future. If that isn't done right Boston will be up in arms. 

[Artie86]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Or his son will be a sophomore at IU next year with his dad coaching him—both of their dream. Mom would be happy to have the whole family together. 

lol!!

[str8baller]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Here's the problem. The Celtics are for sale. Anytime a new owner comes in there's a chance they will want their own front office people. The other thing is the Celtics have a very expensive roster that doesn't have much wiggle room. They are over the second apron with restricts what kind of moves they can make with their roster. Next year they are losing key pieces and some pieces are getting older. They will have an even more expensive roster next year with very little flexibility. There's a good chance they are headed towards having to trade some dudes and rebuild in the very near future. If that isn't done right Boston will be up in arms. 

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

[HoosierHuddle]

A name that I don't believe will be considered but he has been mentioned on other boards, mostly in passing. Probably not related to the IU search but Jeff Rabjohns has pointed him out specifically on a few occasions...again, probably just because his team plays good basketball. Randy Bennett at St. Mary's. The time for him to make a move was probably a few years ago but the Gaels are always fun to watch and if I am not mistaken, they have won 15 straight road games and are now 19-3. It doesn't seem to matter what resources he has or what roster he has, St. Mary's keeps winning and gets to the tournament. Now, exempting the blowout of King Woody, they have not had much success in the Big Dance but they usually have a large athletic disadvantage no matter who they get matched up with in the second round. Anyway, he has an interesting resume and if IU misses on Brad Stevens and Dusty May...number three on the list would be a mystery.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

[Hoosier DaDa]

53 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Good thing us winning by 40 at Purdue has approximately the same odds as me spontaneously growing eagle wings on my back and flying to Alaska before tip off.

Thanks now I have this in my head. 

[ap2345]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

Has Stevens ever had to handle a full blown rebuild as a front office executive? Not saying he couldn't do it but he walked into a nice situation. 

[Pagoda]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

Less.  Brad isn’t on this list maybe because his title (President of BBall Ops) is slightly different vs “GM”?

https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nba-general-managers/

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

Don’t know what he’s making today as GM but unless it’s a really, really big number, I’m willing to bet 10-12M goes a lot further in southern Indiana than whatever he makes in Boston. Factor in some uncertainty in the front office and a different family situation, plus the roots… you can definitely see it if you squint. Key is to not squint too hard and convince ourselves it’s definitely gonna happen (yet)… sucks we are in the thick of basketball season and I just want it over to start coach search szn, a 21st century IU basketball favorite pastime. 

[tyappleg]

Brad Brownell is the most middling of coaches you can get.  He's only made the NCAA Tournament 4 of his 14 years at Clemson.  His elite 8 run last year is absolute fool's gold.  Nothing in his previous 13 years at Clemson shows he can be successful at Indiana to the level we want to be.

[AZ Hoosier]

10 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Playing devils advocate… if Dolson is “falling” for Stevens - swinging for home runs and missing - that’s definitely a factor in how we ended up with Woodson. If some narratives are to believed, striking out on Stevens last time was all the opportunity Buckner needed to railroad his guy in there. I get people who are over the idea of Stevens at this point and need to see it to believe it. Definitely worthwhile for Dolson to stay engaged with Stevens hoping the timing works out. But prioritization and timing and anticipating internal obstacles needs to be better this time around.

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

[Home Jersey]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

I’m inclined to believe this makes new ownership pony up big time to keep him… maybe a small ownership stake. They will want continuity in the organization and you’re not gonna find a GM with a better reputation at the moment. They’re gonna offer him the world and a blank check IMO.

[Kentuckysucks]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

That was likely just a cop out by Buckner.  He knew they probably couldn’t get Stevens and Dolson would never be allowed to hire Pearl.

[ap2345]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

I’m inclined to believe this makes new ownership pony up big time to keep him… maybe a small ownership stake. They will want continuity in the organization and you’re not gonna find a GM with a better reputation at the moment. They’re gonna offer him the world and a blank check IMO.

You never know. You also don't know if he wants to handle a rebuild. 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, ap2345 said:

You never know. You also don't know if he wants to handle a rebuild. 

Yep just have to hope he decides IU is the best of his options. Not as if we can’t make a case for him. Rooting for it. Trying to cling to any hope for IUBB.

[ap2345]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

Buckner didn't approve of Pearl. Dolson didn't miss on him. Buckner didn't think Dusty was good enough either. Brad said the time wasn't right. 

[go iu bb]

25 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Steven's isn't coming until he does. I'm not falling for that talk again it's how we nd up with guys like Woodson. Brad says no so here is Michael Lewis for 7 years. He is an iu guy!!!

 

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Fans thinking we'd get Stevens is how we got Woodson?

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Don’t know what he’s making today as GM but unless it’s a really, really big number, I’m willing to bet 10-12M goes a lot further in southern Indiana than whatever he makes in Boston. Factor in some uncertainty in the front office and a different family situation, plus the roots… you can definitely see it if you squint. Key is to not squint too hard and convince ourselves it’s definitely gonna happen (yet)… sucks we are in the thick of basketball season and I just want it over to start coach search szn, a 21st century IU basketball favorite pastime. 

You are correct don't squint too much. We have to have good vibes but nothing is a sure thing. 

[HoosierMatty]

46 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Thanks Matty. Great idea. Coach Woodson wishes you good luck with the big game tonight

Lol. Hey I'm just saying it would be the ultimate Troll to Purdue fans if he flipped. I hate Purdue but I can't deny Painter is the best coach in the Big Ten.

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

I don't think we missed on Pearl from what I was told. Buckner just vetoed it.