They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[OKHOOSIER]

35 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol 

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, realTomCrean said:

I've seen some say they want to retain Tucker with a new coach & of course with Sisley being a homegrown product many want to keep him. I will go a different route in saying that as awful as Carlyle has been, in 2 years with a coach he will be a good depth piece on a competitive team. The Bosnian makes zero sense to me right now.

Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change.  Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays.  I don’t see the down side.

[RaceToTheTop]

Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’.  The media HATED the Woodson hire.  The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them.

[RaceToTheTop]

42 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house.

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In the long term, it’s better to have both a good coach and money to pay players.

Good coaches can absolutely win with the roster we have, regardless of the I’ll fit.

[monskisprodigy]

11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change.  Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays.  I don’t see the down side.

Haven't seen it posted, why do we think we are getting him? 

Based on nothing, but my money is on Wisconsin in this race. 

[go iu bb]

34 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. 

Yes. In the offseason there was a lot of chest thumping by the Woodson defenders about the talent on the team. They pretty much ignored it when we said, "Yeah, but they'll still be 'coached' by Woodson so it still won't be a very good team." Woodson's coaching ability was also taken into account by the preseason rankings which had them lower than they should've been with the talent brought in. So a decent coach could certainly do well with if all those with eligibility remained next season.

That said, there isn't anyone on this team that I would miss. I wouldn't be upset with a total turnover in the program, players included. I at very least want Woodson, all 3 assistant coaches, and Marshall to all be replaced. Others like Cheaney and Hulls, meh, don't care either way.

[Hoosier DaDa]

7 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Should have been fired when Mullins said no. 

 

7 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Well, should have also been fired last year.

Well he should of never been hired to be fired.

[Scotty R]

20 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’.  The media HATED the Woodson hire.  The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them.

How do you know what they are worrying about

[HoosierX]

45 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. 

I have the sense that the players wouldn't be game for the culture shock that would be coming their way. I talked to Hulls two summers at a golf event ago before last season started, and he said the intensity of practices had materially increased with additions of Gabe and Payton Sparks (not sure what that says about TJD and Kopp's last year). Both of those guys are gone/not playing, so I would imagine the current guys aren't being challenged all that much from an intensity perspective. A lot of speculation on my part, but I would bet it's true.

[realTomCrean]

33 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change.  Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays.  I don’t see the down side.

I agree with you. I guess I’m thinking more from his part, with a coach who’s guaranteed to be fired. Question for anyone who may know: if a player signs an NIL deal & a coaching change occurs is the contract amount still valid or would it become negotiable?

[TheWatShot]

16 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

How do you know what they are worrying about

Jerry just posted earlier that they're waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger. He's also said that from an outsider's view, firing him with our current record would throw up red flags. We all know why Woodson needs to be gone but I don't think he's wrong. 

[J34]

4 hours ago, mamasa said:

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other generation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

Wouldn't donating time and money to many organizations and people in need, be considered somewhat of a good man? Many, many faults, but many, many good deeds.

[Rico]

22 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

How do you know what they are worrying about

It is a freakin' fan forum Scott.  It is full of speculation and conjecture.  

 

And Woodson sucks.

[Hornsby]

Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’.  The media HATED the Woodson hire.  The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them.

Woodson and Ferguson are probably offering him a crazy amount of the cooks money the new coach may not think he is worth. It's the only way Woodson can get guys. Overpay. Plus anyone Woodson recruits to me now is a red flag. Mcnelly was smart he wanted no part of woodson.


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[Hornsby]

Haven't seen it posted, why do we think we are getting him? 
Based on nothing, but my money is on Wisconsin in this race. 

No idea why this kid would want to play for Woodson over wisconsin.

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[Papacap]

That we need to get blown out or some other “optics” for us to maybe, perhaps, if the stars align make a change shows how much of a clown show IU has become. Yes. Getting destroyed by Maryland…. That would do it. 
People thinking Woodson is gone by the end of the year is cute. I remember thinking Santa was real, too. Good times. 

[JF87]

It doesn't seem like the Administration can get Woodson to improve, and it doesn't appear that Woodson can motivate our team to play up to their potential.  It's up to the fans that attend the game to provide the impetus for change.  I hope poor play and poor effort are met with plenty of boos in our remaining home games.  Expectations must be met by IU coaches and players.  If not, the coaches, players, and administration must be embarrassed in front of the viewing audience.  

[Scotty R]

42 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Jerry just posted earlier that they're waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger. He's also said that from an outsider's view, firing him with our current record would throw up red flags. We all know why Woodson needs to be gone but I don't think he's wrong. 

That is where I have concerns because you just take their word as gospel. You believe it then when things don't happen then people jump to the conclusion that the administration is incompetent. The thing is these talks about interim coaches probably never happen but people think they did so you jump to the conclusion the administration backed down.

[Scotty R]

39 minutes ago, Rico said:

It is a freakin' fan forum Scott.  It is full of speculation and conjecture.  

 

And Woodson sucks.

But a lot of these people actually believe everything they say and then blame the administration when things don't happen 

[Hornsby]

That we need to get blown out or some other “optics” for us to maybe, perhaps, if the stars align make a change shows how much of a clown show IU has become. Yes. Getting destroyed by Maryland…. That would do it. 
People thinking Woodson is gone by the end of the year is cute. I remember thinking Santa was real, too. Good times. 

Trust the process. Lol the process got us in this mess

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