They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Ryno6284]

3 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I would rather listen to Cig anyway.  I hope he writes a book.  From what I can tell he has a great leadership model that he lives and preaches.  

I bet if you read his book you could hear it in that Yinzer accent!

[Hoosier DaDa]

5 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep each place ended up with a coach that had at least 6 years experience as an assistant coach in the college game.  Davis spent 11 years as an assistant to a Hall of Fame coach before taking over and Scheyer spent close to 8 years under a Hall of Fame coach before taking over (he was hand picked by K).  Pope was head coach at 2 places each a step up before becoming the head coach of Kentucky.  Each coaches where they played only major difference was those guys were college basketball lifers.  I don’t really care if IU can hook an elite coach as long as the next coach has spent his whole career grinding in the college basketball ranks I will be fine with whoever they chose 

I hate to say it but you basically described Archie Miller

[OKHOOSIER]

8 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I hate to say it you but you basically described Archie Miller

Hindsight is definitely 20/20 when it comes to Archie, at the time, the national media thought it was a slam dunk. I certainly did, he wasn’t my first or second choice, but I was happy with it. Clearly the job was simply too big for him and his personality didn’t mesh with the fish bowl that is being the HC at IU. 
 

Sometimes it simply doesn’t work out, and that’s okay. I’m happy for Archie that he has seemingly found success again at a lower level. He was a hire that made sense. 
 

Hiring Woody never made any sense to anyone. 

[Hornsby]

Hindsight is definitely 20/20 when it comes to Archie, at the time, the national media thought it was a slam dunk. I certainly did, he wasn’t my first or second choice, but I was happy with it. Clearly the job was simply too big for him and his personality didn’t mesh with the fish bowl that is being the HC at IU. 

 

Sometimes it simply doesn’t work out, and that’s okay. I’m happy for Archie that he has seemingly found success again at a lower level. He was a hire that made sense. 

 

Hiring Woody never made any sense to anyone. 

It made sense to quinn and the old brass who hangs out drinking with woodson. This was old guard taking care of one of its own. That's all it was period. If these guys who went 62-1under knight really cared about iu and winning they would want Woodson gone yesterday. Instead it's crickets. I mean let's be honest if it 100% had to be a former player alford was clearly better than Woodson. You may not like alford but he at least had marginal success in college

 

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[JSHoosier]

14 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Hindsight is definitely 20/20 when it comes to Archie, at the time, the national media thought it was a slam dunk. I certainly did, he wasn’t my first or second choice, but I was happy with it. Clearly the job was simply too big for him and his personality didn’t mesh with the fish bowl that is being the HC at IU. 
 

Sometimes it simply doesn’t work out, and that’s okay. I’m happy for Archie that he has seemingly found success again at a lower level. He was a hire that made sense. 
 

Hiring Woody never made any sense to anyone. 

I didn't like the Miller hire at the time, I wanted to see more from him. I could at least see a possibility with him though.

[IUFAN1976]

30 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It made sense to quinn and the old brass who hangs out drinking with woodson. This was old guard taking care of one of its own. That's all it was period. If these guys who went 62-1under knight really cared about iu and winning they would want Woodson gone yesterday. Instead it's crickets. I mean let's be honest if it 100% had to be a former player alford was clearly better than Woodson. You may not like alford but he at least had marginal success in college

 

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He definitely made more sense than Woodson but he had some issues and baggage but definitely a better hire than Woodson 

[Hornsby]

He definitely made more sense than Woodson but he had some issues and baggage but definitely a better hire than Woodson 

Guys like Joe Hillman screamed and yelled for years that we had to hire an iu guy. Well he doesn't seem so happy these days. I'm guessing he had alford in mind and not woodson.

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[go iu bb]

17 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Guys like Joe Hillman screamed and yelled for years that we had to hire an iu guy. Well he doesn't seem so happy these days. I'm guessing he had alford in mind and not woodson.

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Alford isn't a very good coach, either. Better than Woodson, but that is a very low bar.

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I hate to say it but you basically described Archie Miller

Yep.   Took a swing and got the hottest name in coaching for that coaching cycle.   Had fans from Ohio st and nc state ticked off they didn’t get him.   Archie didn’t work out however you get back in there and find a coach that is a college basketball lifer and hope it works out.   If it doesn’t you do it again 

[Kentuckysucks]

38 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Guys like Joe Hillman screamed and yelled for years that we had to hire an iu guy. Well he doesn't seem so happy these days. I'm guessing he had alford in mind and not woodson.

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Those calling for an IU guy wanted their IU guy.  Even they never thought IU would be dumb enough to hire Mike freaking Woodson.  Yes they wanted Alford, the only IU guy remotely qualified.

[HoosierHoopster]

On a positive note —

We’re one day closer to the day Woodson is gone

[IUFAN1976]

44 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Guys like Joe Hillman screamed and yelled for years that we had to hire an iu guy. Well he doesn't seem so happy these days. I'm guessing he had alford in mind and not woodson.

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Well they did play and win a National Title together.  

[Stuhoo]

43 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep.   Took a swing and got the hottest name in coaching for that coaching cycle.   Had fans from Ohio st and nc state ticked off they didn’t get him.   Archie didn’t work out however you get back in there and find a coach that is a college basketball lifer and hope it works out.   If it doesn’t you do it again 

One million percent yes.

Archie Miller did not end up being a good hire, but the decision to hire him was a good one.

[go iu bb]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

One million percent yes.

Archie Miller did not end up being a good hire, but the decision to hire him was a good one.

I'm not so sure about that. Maybe based on his record alone it was a good hire but there were other things that should have been caught in the interviewing process. Like his total lack of personality, that he didn't want to fund raise, etc.

[8bucks]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Alford isn't a very good coach, either. Better than Woodson, but that is a very low bar.

I think Alford is a good to very good coach. He is consistently above his peers at the mid major level and had some success at the P5 level.  To excel we need a great coach though.  

[Hornsby]

Well they did play and win a National Title together.  

The lesson is to be careful what you wish for. You just may end up with Mike Woodson instead. Quinn saw his opening and pounced

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[str8baller]

36 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I'm not so sure about that. Maybe based on his record alone it was a good hire but there were other things that should have been caught in the interviewing process. Like his total lack of personality, that he didn't want to fund raise, etc.

You don’t really interview for these jobs. 

[Hornsby]

I think Alford is a good to very good coach. He is consistently above his peers at the mid major level and had some success at the P5 level.  To excel we need a great coach though.  

Alford would probably have crean type success. But with nil who knows crean and alford could have done pretty well at iu. Woodson still stinks with top level nil money

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[str8baller]

5 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

The point is that had the IU admin  fired both CAM and CMW after  2 year of mediocre  results, they would be raked over the coals for being overly reactionary and no respectable coach would want to deal with such dysfunction. Just as attractive as the facilities and NIL are, a heavy handed fickle administration would repulse them. 

Actually it is exactly the opposite. You’re dealing with guys who want to win. IUs administration turns people off because they reek of losing and weakness. 
 

You could fire someone every 4 days and it wouldn’t matter to a winner, because winners never even contemplate losing or failing or getting fired. 

[IUFAN1976]

23 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

The lesson is to be careful what you wish for. You just may end up with Mike Woodson instead. Quinn saw his opening and pounced

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Of course he did!!!!!!   They both have taken advantage of the entire situation