Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 20,461]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Putting my response to this here rather than the coaching carousel thread so @Stuhoo doesn't yell at me.

Maybe keeping Woodson another year is part of Dolson's master plan to make sure the next coach is given some time. He saw how Crean was shown patience the first 3 years after inheriting nothing so he plans to do the same thing again without the sanctions. He knows that Woodson will drive the program into the ground and there won't be any talent left for the next coach. 

I don't really believe that is Dolson's plan but I do think it has a good chance of working out that way.

There's no master plan. It's pure unadulterated nepotism.

[go iu bb 6,562]

1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

There's no master plan. It's pure unadulterated nepotism.

 

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

I don't really believe that is Dolson's plan but I do think it has a good chance of working out that way.

Thanks for telling me something I already know. I thought the sarcasm was apparent but I guess not. Even if that were the master plan, it'd be a truly idiotic plan.

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 hour ago, cbp4iu said:

Also I think it’s going to give Dolson a whole year to really sit down and talk with a range of candidates handlers. I think February if IU is meh I think he’ll try to make sure by then he has his guy locked up. 

I have little to no confidence in Dolson, as well. He's a shill for Buckner and the BoT, apparently.

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Putting my response to this here rather than the coaching carousel thread so @Stuhoo doesn't yell at me.

Maybe keeping Woodson another year is part of Dolson's master plan to make sure the next coach is given some time. He saw how Crean was shown patience the first 3 years after inheriting nothing so he plans to do the same thing again without the sanctions. He knows that Woodson will drive the program into the ground and there won't be any talent left for the next coach. 

I don't really believe that is Dolson's plan but I do think it has a good chance of working out that way.

I sincerely doubt that Dolson has a plan. He's flying by the seat of his pants. Failing to plan = planning to fail.

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 hour ago, cleeter said:

Donors won’t quit because Woodson isn’t here. They donated before Woodson and will after Woodson.

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Indiana appears to be dealing in the area of appeasing the butt-hurt. That's why we have Woodson. That's why Dolson won't do a *$#& thing to prevent butt-hurting the Cooks and Simons. 

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

Yeah I get it. I just don’t relate to that type of thinking. Never have and never will. Nepotism is never the correct way to run an organization. 

That would be a true statement if Buckner and the BoT cared one iota. Since the men's basketball program is in the dumpster, might as well give Woodson another $4.5M.

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4 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

I sincerely doubt that Dolson has a plan. He's flying by the seat of his pants. Failing to plan = planning to fail.

Ugh, people can't even bother to read the whole thing. I should've been obvious sarcasm as it would be an idiotic plan then I say:

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

I don't really believe that is Dolson's plan but I do think it has a good chance of working out that way.

 

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3 hours ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Why not a young Shaka Smart?

 375-171 record and now 10-10 in NCAA, Final 4 with VCU and is still in his 40’s.  Emotional, good X’s and O’s and his teams are always good shooters and love to turn teams over with speed!

He is underrated in my opinion, I know Texas didn’t work out but has demonstrated excellence at basketball first schools. 

Marquette is a better program than IU now and since MU has extended Smart through 2029 I would assume there’s a pretty expensive buyout in place as well, similar to Otzelberger and Iowa State.

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17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

 

Thanks for telling me something I already know. I thought the sarcasm was apparent but I guess not. Even if that were the master plan, it'd be a truly idiotic plan.

I saw that part. Just saying there is no plan, if the administration at IU was that smart we wouldn't be talking about Woodson as coach to begin with.

[Uspshoosier 46,381]

3 hours ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Why not a young Shaka Smart?

 375-171 record and now 10-10 in NCAA, Final 4 with VCU and is still in his 40’s.  Emotional, good X’s and O’s and his teams are always good shooters and love to turn teams over with speed!

He is underrated in my opinion, I know Texas didn’t work out but has demonstrated excellence at basketball first schools. 

He is  from Wisconsin so it would be hard to lure him away.   He done the huge school and it didn’t work out.   His thing was always he didn’t want to coach in a fishbowl.  He got out of Texas before they could fire him.   Marquette is a private smaller school that spends a massive amount of the basketball program. Their facilities are top notch.  All of this at a smaller school with less pressure in your home state means that guy isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.   

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19 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

I have little to no confidence in Dolson, as well. He's a shill for Buckner and the BoT, apparently.

Never met him but my wife has. Her opinion is he is very smart and can navigate the politics of IU. Which leads me to believe he has a plan and is likely waiting until he can move on that plan. No inside scoop there just a guess. 

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10 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Never met him but my wife has. Her opinion is he is very smart and can navigate the politics of IU. Which leads me to believe he has a plan and is likely waiting until he can move on that plan. No inside scoop there just a guess. 

Yeah, I would hope so, but so far, I guess he hasn't found the opportune moment.

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4 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Never met him but my wife has. Her opinion is he is very smart and can navigate the politics of IU. Which leads me to believe he has a plan and is likely waiting until he can move on that plan. No inside scoop there just a guess. 

I met him a few times before he was AD and would add that he was very active in making sure events went well. That requires a lot of planning and awareness of how things are going during the event.  Seemed to have no ego and seemed to be a great #2 guy. Does that translate into being a great AD, no idea but I think it is safe to assume he has some plan for basketball. Some may not like his plan but I doubt he is just winging it. 
 

As a #2 guy he was key in managing a lot of donor relations and helped secure funding for the Assembly Hall renovation. We might not like some donor choices but losing the donors would be far more damaging than keeping a coach 1 more year.  

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Yes, he lost his team this year but would Holtman be an option in a year. Had some really good teams. Knows the league and can recruit.Can’t believe DePaul would have a huge buyout 

[Feathery 4,005]

1 minute ago, steubenhoosier said:

Yes, he lost his team this year but would Holtman be an option in a year. Had some really good teams. Knows the league and can recruit.Can’t believe DePaul would have a huge buyout 

I thought Holtmann said he didn’t want to be in a fishbowl like IU. DePaul might be the best place for him. 

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1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

I met him a few times before he was AD and would add that he was very active in making sure events went well. That requires a lot of planning and awareness of how things are going during the event.  Seemed to have no ego and seemed to be a great #2 guy. Does that translate into being a great AD, no idea but I think it is safe to assume he has some plan for basketball. Some may not like his plan but I doubt he is just winging it. 
 

As a #2 guy he was key in managing a lot of donor relations and helped secure funding for the Assembly Hall renovation. We might not like some donor choices but losing the donors would be far more damaging than keeping a coach 1 more year.  

I would rather have Shaka or May and only $2mm in NIL than Woodson and $6MM in NiL

[Crazy about IU 189]

I am on board with fire Woodson.But what kind of success next year would  it take to get him off the hot seat. Making the tournament and getting to the sweat sixteen. That would sure make it hard to fire him. I for one can’t make myself pull for IU to lose. i for don’t expect a successful year but you never know.

[cbp4iu 1,624]

I’ll be disappointed if Woody doesn’t have atleast 3 visits schedule by next Tuesday/Wednesday

[go iu bb 6,562]

1 minute ago, Crazy about IU said:

I am on board with fire Woodson.But what kind of success next year would  it take to get him off the hot seat. Making the tournament and getting to the sweat sixteen. That would sure make it hard to fire him. I for one can’t make myself pull for IU to lose. i for don’t expect a successful year but you never know.

I want Woodson gone because I don't think he can be successful as a college coach. If he proves that wrong by making the S16, I'd be fine with keeping him for a while longer. I doubt he makes the tournament next year but right now we don't even know who will be on the team. Maybe he'll get the overwhelming amount of experienced talent he needs to succeed.

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4 minutes ago, Crazy about IU said:

I am on board with fire Woodson.But what kind of success next year would  it take to get him off the hot seat. Making the tournament and getting to the sweat sixteen. That would sure make it hard to fire him. I for one can’t make myself pull for IU to lose. i for don’t expect a successful year but you never know.

I can’t either, no matter how much I despise Woodson a person and coach.  I think the sweat 16 or bust, IMO.  Personally, I don’t think he even makes the tournament again for 3 reasons:

1). He is still going to play 2 bigs and have inside/out offense that gets bogged down and is easy to guard

2) He won’t be able to recruit enough talent or shooters to get him over the proverbial hump

3) He isn’t a good enough coach to develop team chemistry and that will be his downfall

I am are there are about a dozen more reasons but those are at the top, IMO