Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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32 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

He’s done at the end of the season regardless. 

The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. 

He’s gone even if they rattle off some miracle wins, squeak in the dance, and make the S16?

Unlikely but Woody seems to always go on some miracle wins streak at the end of every year.

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Yeah I don’t particularly care for any of the players on this roster. Maybe my hatred of Woodson has poisoned my feelings toward them, but I’m perfectly fine with an entirely new team next season. Clear house entirely. 

It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house.

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1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I would think they would know that Woodson is on the hot seat so they must not care or they have no clue what to a going on.

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12 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house.

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….just think of it this way. Most every young man or woman has dreams of playing in the NBA or WNBA to get that big money. They know if they get there they have reached the pinnacle. Some of these   are getting paid NIL money in college that they probably won’t be making in the NBA or even oversees.

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58 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house.

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Well he never had to assemble a roster before he got this job, so what did you expect? 

That fact just makes hiring him even dumber.

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35 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol 

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. 

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1 hour ago, realTomCrean said:

I've seen some say they want to retain Tucker with a new coach & of course with Sisley being a homegrown product many want to keep him. I will go a different route in saying that as awful as Carlyle has been, in 2 years with a coach he will be a good depth piece on a competitive team. The Bosnian makes zero sense to me right now.

Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change.  Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays.  I don’t see the down side.

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Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’.  The media HATED the Woodson hire.  The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them.

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42 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house.

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In the long term, it’s better to have both a good coach and money to pay players.

Good coaches can absolutely win with the roster we have, regardless of the I’ll fit.

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11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change.  Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays.  I don’t see the down side.

Haven't seen it posted, why do we think we are getting him? 

Based on nothing, but my money is on Wisconsin in this race. 

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34 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. 

Yes. In the offseason there was a lot of chest thumping by the Woodson defenders about the talent on the team. They pretty much ignored it when we said, "Yeah, but they'll still be 'coached' by Woodson so it still won't be a very good team." Woodson's coaching ability was also taken into account by the preseason rankings which had them lower than they should've been with the talent brought in. So a decent coach could certainly do well with if all those with eligibility remained next season.

That said, there isn't anyone on this team that I would miss. I wouldn't be upset with a total turnover in the program, players included. I at very least want Woodson, all 3 assistant coaches, and Marshall to all be replaced. Others like Cheaney and Hulls, meh, don't care either way.

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7 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Should have been fired when Mullins said no. 

 

7 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Well, should have also been fired last year.

Well he should of never been hired to be fired.

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20 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’.  The media HATED the Woodson hire.  The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them.

How do you know what they are worrying about

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45 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. 

I have the sense that the players wouldn't be game for the culture shock that would be coming their way. I talked to Hulls two summers at a golf event ago before last season started, and he said the intensity of practices had materially increased with additions of Gabe and Payton Sparks (not sure what that says about TJD and Kopp's last year). Both of those guys are gone/not playing, so I would imagine the current guys aren't being challenged all that much from an intensity perspective. A lot of speculation on my part, but I would bet it's true.

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33 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change.  Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays.  I don’t see the down side.

I agree with you. I guess I’m thinking more from his part, with a coach who’s guaranteed to be fired. Question for anyone who may know: if a player signs an NIL deal & a coaching change occurs is the contract amount still valid or would it become negotiable?

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16 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

How do you know what they are worrying about

Jerry just posted earlier that they're waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger. He's also said that from an outsider's view, firing him with our current record would throw up red flags. We all know why Woodson needs to be gone but I don't think he's wrong. 

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4 hours ago, mamasa said:

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other generation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

Wouldn't donating time and money to many organizations and people in need, be considered somewhat of a good man? Many, many faults, but many, many good deeds.

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22 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

How do you know what they are worrying about

It is a freakin' fan forum Scott.  It is full of speculation and conjecture.  

 

And Woodson sucks.

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Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’.  The media HATED the Woodson hire.  The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them.

Woodson and Ferguson are probably offering him a crazy amount of the cooks money the new coach may not think he is worth. It's the only way Woodson can get guys. Overpay. Plus anyone Woodson recruits to me now is a red flag. Mcnelly was smart he wanted no part of woodson.


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Haven't seen it posted, why do we think we are getting him? 
Based on nothing, but my money is on Wisconsin in this race. 

No idea why this kid would want to play for Woodson over wisconsin.

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