Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[kottke 766]

I’ve wanted to move on from Woody for a few reasons:

1) The amount of losses his teams have had by 10+ points.

2) The extremely outdated play style. Like others, I’ve always held the belief that the style doesn’t matter if you’re winning. Well, not a whole lot of winning happening.

3) The belief that he doesn’t seem to be a coach who’s going to get us to the Final Four anytime soon.

4) To build off of #3, if we aren’t going anywhere with him soon, what’s the point at his age? Why delay the inevitable?

All that said, I have liked Woody. I’ve had no problem with him as a person. That has changed the second half of this season with the way he’s handled everything.  Yes, he was a great player, but he’s done nothing coaching wise to entitle him to be an arrogant A-hole. Knight earned that level of respect and tolerance with his performance as a coach. Woody hasn’t.

[Hornsby 1,637]

So Mike Woodson said he done his job this season. So his job is to go 10-10 and not make the tournament. Or to get any recruits.

Lol.

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

2023/24 Preseason Big Ten media poll

1. Purdue (24)
2. Michigan State (4)
3. Maryland
4. Illinois
5. Wisconsin
6. Indiana
7. Ohio State
8. Northwestern
9. Iowa
10. Rutgers
11. Michigan
12. Nebraska
13. Penn State
14. Minnesota

So we’ve underperformed some; we’ll finish in sixth or seventh place (at worst).

So that’s the expectation. Woodson recruits bad so we’re picked to finish bad and meets those expectations. Great at least you own it.

[JimmerNoe 487]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Rule 1:  You never attack the fans.  Period.  Even when they are toxic schmucks.  

All he needed to do was -- Thanks for sticking with us and filling the hall tonight.  We got some work to do in the BTT, so come on out to Minn.  

I agree in general, but the fans he’s going after have sailed away I think. I still totally think he hasn’t done enough to be so haughty but the only way he’s going to win a lot of these people back is by kicking @$$ and winning. If it’s win or go home next year, maybe his mindset is that he’s going to go out swinging. Being one who has called for his job on here, I honestly took it on the chin and said hope he proves me right and runs the BTT.

For me it was nice to know the fire has not gone out for this team just yet and we may see some fun, mean, gritty, hopefully winning basketball this week. 

[Hornsby 1,637]

It's possible some are disappointed that winning is why Woodson will be back.

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Just now, Stuhoo said:

Hey, hey; let’s not get silly. We’re IUBB; that’s not how we roll.

Screw it! We are on a 4 game win streak!   Let's get really silly and go on a 12-13 game win streak!

[IUFAN1976 2,461]

7 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

It's possible some are disappointed that winning is why Woodson will be back.

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I am not one that would root for our team to lose!  But I am disappointed that Woodson wasn’t fired!  He really doesn’t deserve to be our coach the way he has acted, IMO.  And I was one that supported his hire at the time, now he can go straight to he double hockey sticks, lol!  He is again and will forever be a SOB

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5 minutes ago, JimmerNoe said:

Personally, I think some people are getting butthurt where they don’t need to be offended. I don’t care what your job is, if there is a group of people shouting that you suck and deserve to be fired and then you rip off four unexpected successes in a row (meaningless in the big picture, but still) I can imagine there is a strong desire to tell those folks “get the hell off my back”. And for all the damnation about the culture and locker room exodus coming, I take it as a positive that his guys publicly went to bat for him. Think we need to consider it is a human reaction to get a little bit chippy when someone is at your neck and you prove them wrong, even if temporarily.

to be clear I still think moving on is right, but this is being taken way too personally imo.

What Mike Woodson did these past 4 games was the equivalent of CJ Gunn becoming a dead eye 3 point shooter in several games this year when we were down 15+ with a minute to go.  Except CJ didn't jump on the scorers table after hitting them and pound his chest like he just hit "the shot".

And Woodson's teams have made a really bad habit of severely underperforming each year he has been here and then turning it on late in a few games to "gut past the adversity" so that they could brag on mediocrity.  The Big Ten absolutely sucks this year.  Going 10-10 in this league or making a "turn around" from 6-10 to 10-10 isn't some amazing feat.  It was hitting shots in junk time of a game you already lost.

[coonhounds 8,701]

2023/24 Preseason Big Ten media poll

1. Purdue (24)
2. Michigan State (4)
3. Maryland
4. Illinois
5. Wisconsin
6. Indiana
7. Ohio State
8. Northwestern
9. Iowa
10. Rutgers
11. Michigan
12. Nebraska
13. Penn State
14. Minnesota

So we’ve underperformed some; we’ll finish in sixth or seventh place (at worst).

Preseason polls by the media are nice and all but if we're predicted 14th in the big I expect our to finish top 5 in year 3 or our coach can hit the streets. We need high expectations not finish where projected

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12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

PS: Coach Cignetti is in his honeymoon “Purdue sucks” phase.

Yall gonna be okay when we lose a bunch of games and Cig is still salty? Because he will be.

It's not a 1 for 1, but something tells me if IUFB had an equivalently disappointing season as this with no (or few) recruits coming in, he wouldn't utter the phrase....

"I've done my job"

[Stuhoo 76,810]

Just now, NashvilleHoosier said:

My opinion of his ability to lead the program hasn’t changed, and I thought it was odd for him to go there, but it didn’t turn me off. To be honest his and Leal’s comments, to me, kinda had me thinking…well, okay then, show some fight and go prove us wrong. 

Damn straight.

Now I do also agree with Golfman’s point; pushing back at the fans is almost never a good idea.

But life is messy! So a competitor who believes in himself was pissed and proud of how his team has responded.

[AKHoosier 6,610]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Maybe people that are actually pissed that Indiana University has won four in a row?

I have my issues with Woody, but it is absolutely shocking to me that there are people who are truly upset that our Indiana Hoosiers have won four in a row. They are truly mad.

Why? Here’s a truth bomb: because some apparently invested so much time and energy in the narrative that the team had given up on the season and their coach. And they’re now pissed because they were proven wrong; it just wasn’t true.

Just as incredibly tone deaf as Woodson. 

People aren't upset that we've won 4 in a row. We're upset because it's become painfully obvious that he's going to be retained, and this 4 game win streak against mediocre teams is apparently a good enough reason to give him another year. 

And if I'm going to get excited about next year, I'm forced to be a fan of a style of basketball I abhor, at a program who now has to resort to buying talent in the portal rather than recruit and develop players, because the coach is too lazy to recruit.

 

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So we’ve underperformed some; we’ll finish in sixth or seventh place (at worst).

Relative to November media expectations. But those expectations were low because he underperformed in the team building aspect prior to November. 

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3 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Been on multiple IU fan boards.

This is the only one where being a fan for more than 40 years is condescended to. 
Please don’t.

Please understand that much of the financial support for the NIl or through the Alumni Club comes from the “blue haired rah rags.”

How would you like me to stereotype you. The generation that doesn’t know what is going on at the games because you’re too busy looking at your phone?

Wonder if you paid your tuition through school or were you helped by older generations who provided for you. 
 

The blue hairs could be your parents and are most definitely your grandparents. Are you going to typecast them that way?

 

Why do you assume I'm young . But yes I'm on my phone a lot . I'm a fire mike woodson thread junkie.  Anybody know where an H.A. 12 step meeting can be found. 

[Stuhoo 76,810]

4 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Just as incredibly tone deaf as Woodson. 

People aren't upset that we've won 4 in a row. We're upset because it's become painfully obvious that he's going to be retained, and this 4 game win streak against mediocre teams is apparently a good enough reason to give him another year. 

And if I'm going to get excited about next year, I'm forced to be a fan of a style of basketball I abhor, at a program who now has to resort to buying talent in the portal rather than recruit and develop players, because the coach is too lazy to recruit.

 

So…. You don’t think there might just be a teensy-weensy tiny little element with just a few people that they are a teeny bit mad they’ve been wrong about loudly saying this team would tank?

Maybe not you—you’re generally a positive poster, but maybe that element is part of it with some?

[IUFAN1976 2,461]

6 minutes ago, kottke said:

I’ve wanted to move on from Woody for a few reasons:

1) The amount of losses his teams have had by 10+ points.

2) The extremely outdated play style. Like others, I’ve always held the belief that the style doesn’t matter if you’re winning. Well, not a whole lot of winning happening.

3) The belief that he doesn’t seem to be a coach who’s going to get us to the Final Four anytime soon.

4) To build off of #3, if we aren’t going anywhere with him soon, what’s the point at his age? Why delay the inevitable?

All that said, I have liked Woody. I’ve had no problem with him as a person. That has changed the second half of this season with the way he’s handled everything.  Yes, he was a great player, but he’s done nothing coaching wise to entitle him to be an arrogant A-hole. Knight earned that level of respect and tolerance with his performance as a coach. Woody hasn’t.

10000000000%!  This is exactly where I am, very well said.

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And does not change the fact our only commit asked out of his LOI after it was announced the head coach is coming back. 

Not much more to say than that, lol. Hope we hit 3-4 home runs and 2-3 doubles in the portal. No plan B (or other contraceptives for getting absolutely ****ed next year)

[coonhounds 8,701]

Damn straight.
Now I do also agree with Golfman’s point; pushing back at the fans is almost never a good idea.
But life is messy! So a competitor who believes in himself was pissed and proud of how his team has responded.

But it's what's wrong with the iu culture now days imo. They have done ****. As of now it is below the standards. Win the big tournament and then make a sweet 16 and talk a bit. Not after 4 games when they don't mean nothing yet

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1 hour ago, LIHoosier said:

You forgot to put Mike Woodson's name on in there. He'd probably insist. 

[JimmerNoe 487]

4 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

 Going 10-10 in this league or making a "turn around" from 6-10 to 10-10 isn't some amazing feat.  It was hitting shots in junk time of a game you already lost.

Fair enough, but we’ve gone .500 or better three times in the last eight years. All three are from Mike Woodson. I don’t think he was beating his chest. I think he was saying exactly what Leal said. Chill out. It’s not where any of us want to be but we’ve now gone .500 or better for three seasons in a row for the first time dating back to….

2005-2008. Seriously.

I am choosing to view this as him being fiery and not giving up. Much rather that than have him tuck tail like a whipped dog when there is still basketball left to play this year.