Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

It isn't just Archie. There are dozens among dozens of coaches who have built programs at the lower levels because they have coached in no pressure situations and given the necessary time that have completely flopped at a higher level. 

That’s something folks are ignoring. He had zero pressure at FAU. He could take 5 years to slowly build because he had no pressure. How will he do at a school where the heat is on from day 1?

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40 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

my girl Kathy

You better work on your spelling, Khris.

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Just now, Chris007 said:

But he'll also get about 6 million to play with in NIL money

And potentially lots of spots! Or maybe not as many as there would have been if Woodson stays.

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16 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Well $h!t. If IU is going to hire Dusty May, we aren't going to be able to track flights. We will have to get spotters on the Appalachian Trail, since he said he would walk to Bloomington from Florida for the job.

My wife will be on the trail in a couple of weeks. I could ask her to keep an eye open for him. 

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At this rate we are going to blow 600 pages out of the water before the end of the 8th lol

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That’s something folks are ignoring. He had zero pressure at FAU. He could take 5 years to slowly build because he had no pressure. How will he do at a school where the heat is on from day 1?

Shaka Smart was a disaster at Texas. Same with John Groce at Illinois. Todd Lickliter was horrible at Iowa. It happens every coaching cycle. 

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1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Well say what you will about Collins, but he has serious academic restrictions on who he can bring in.  Safe to say FAU has no such restrictions.  

While I agree that the academic expectations are there, it doesn't change the fact Collins has brought in more higher rated players more consistently to the Big Ten than Dusty has at FAU. Regardless what the academic restrictions might be, May has had more success with less talent (247 rated talent) than Collins.

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24 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Do you think Kathy is his assistant? You seem to get action by your emails. Have you sent one to Woodson yet?

Woodson doesn't get emails, you have to hand deliver them to him, remember?

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45 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Didn't you say yesterday was taco tuesday? lol

There's a big difference between "taco Tuesday" and "Taco Bell"... just sayin...

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But he'll also get about 6 million to play with in NIL money

I would love to see a national breakdown of wins per NIL dollars spent.  

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10 minutes ago, SamIam said:

Yeah this is certainly true. But based on FAU's historical standards May was an extreme positive outlier already in years 1-4. I don't think the argument that it took him a long time to get going holds much water. 

But when you know you're going to get 4-5 years and are in no pressure to win from day 1, it changes the entire dynamic of things. 

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28 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Do you think Kathy is his assistant? You seem to get action by your emails. Have you sent one to Woodson yet?

I figured she is on the BOT

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6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Shaka Smart was a disaster at Texas. Same with John Groce at Illinois. Todd Lickliter was horrible at Iowa. It happens every coaching cycle. 

Shaka is the only one comparable to Dusty. John Groce's resume was putrid and Lickliter carried on what was already built at Butler.

And Shaka didn't meet expectations at Texas, but has it ROLLING at another high profile basketball school. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That’s something folks are ignoring. He had zero pressure at FAU. He could take 5 years to slowly build because he had no pressure. How will he do at a school where the heat is on from day 1?

Meh... taking FAU from where they were to how they're performing now, is not what I'd consider a "slow build" even over 5 years. If we bring May in, he will presumably need more time to get things rolling than Pearl, but I think we'd see plenty of progress much sooner than that. Yes pressure would be higher here but that's where his familiarity with IU could serve him well... plus he's a competitor, pressure is part of the business. Hopefully that's part of their "standard" assessment in the interview process (as if IU is that organized...). He will also have oodles more cash at his disposal plus a way bigger brand. If we hire May I will be elated that we're moving on, fairly disappointed it's not Pearl, but not very upset that Dusty ended up being the guy. Basically... I still want and feel like Pearl should be the priority target but I am happy with both options.

No matter how you see it, for the most part except for literally 3 people, it seems everyone can agree either would be preferable to a 4th year of the status quo

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15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Davis is the only one with a chance to make the NBA and I don't think he's a surefire draft pick. Goldin doesn't have a game that translates to the next level. He's good around the rim offensively but not a great rim protector or rebounder for his size.

He's 7ft and crazy mobile. He can hang. 

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35 minutes ago, iubhounds2 said:

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Mainly makes me wonder why @Scotty R waited so long to email. :D

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1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Didn't Bob Knight win a title on one bucket? 

The 1953 title was also won by a single point.

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3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I figured she is on the BOT

Seriously?

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1 hour ago, Rico said:

Geez.  Are you still holding that night at Hooters against me?

If you took me to hooters I would hold it against you.

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8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But he'll also get about 6 million to play with in NIL money

All very true, but again it's going to be a part of the job he hasn't yet experieced.

How's he going to manage ego's of 4 and 5* players?

Does he sit a 5* freshman on a near 7 figure deal over an upperclassmen?

Can he get a bunch of highly touted kids to play in his system right away?

These are all legitimate concerns and issues May has yet to face. It's a huge reason why Archie failed.