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4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Solution:  Fire Woody after the season and hire Dusty May.  Woody is 66 and will not be here long no matter what.   Dusty could coach another 20+ years and looks very promising.   See what he can do here.  It can't possibly get any worse and he could very well be the next big thing.  We know what we have with Woody and it's not the answer. 

It can't possibly get any worse?

Get a grip man.

I'm saying that as someone who likes the idea of Dusty in another 2-3 years. 

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In Woody I TRUST. I love Woody’s deep affection for Bob Knight and IU. It’s paid dividends and will continue to pay dividends.

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50 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

That’s Rich.  All you keyboard coaches and ADs — complain like Karens but have no actual answers.  

The fans aren't the ones that are supposed to have the answers. The fans aren't the ones that are supposed to identify and fix problems. It's the staff that is suppose to. They shouldn't need a magic want to put together something that at least resembles a modern roster in year 3. 

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52 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

 

" Woke up 

Fell out of bed

Read the words posted on this thread."

Found my way downstairs 

and drank a cup

and looking up, 

I noticed all the hate

:)

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47 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

It can't possibly get any worse?

Get a grip man.

I'm saying that as someone who likes the idea of Dusty in another 2-3 years. 

Dude just fell of the turnip truck.  I can guarantee it can get a whole lot worse -- at least we don't have those powerhouse programs of Indiana State and IUPFW on the schedule.  

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4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The fans aren't the ones that are supposed to have the answers. The fans aren't the ones that are supposed to identify and fix problems. It's the staff that is suppose to. They shouldn't need a magic want to put together something that at least resembles a modern roster in year 3. 

Well they sure act like it around here.   :) 

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Well they sure act like it around here.   :) 

My opinion. The fans you are referencing are just giving their opinions. That's what is supposed to happen on this message board. The fact we didn't get a guard or that the roster has holes in it is 100 percent the coaching staffs fault 100 percent. Even if they did everything possible. I like Woodson and everything he says. I am not thrilled with the results so far. Better than Archie. Better than crean? We shall see but I feel last 3 years we still underachievied. Hopefully this season will be good

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13 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

My opinion. The fans you are referencing are just giving their opinions. That's what is supposed to happen on this message board. The fact we didn't get a guard or that the roster has holes in it is 100 percent the coaching staffs fault 100 percent. Even if they did everything possible. I like Woodson and everything he says. I am not thrilled with the results so far. Better than Archie. Better than crean? We shall see but I feel last 3 years we still underachievied. Hopefully this season will be good

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Assembling a roster is probably the most important part of the coaching staffs R&R.

when Golf says who should they have gotten - the answer is, there were hundreds of guards in the portal, which one we got was up to the staff and we got zero. That was the worst case scenario

Call that a dead horse but that horse is going to be rotting all season, it’s not like folks are bringing up the same play or substitution that is done and over with

im not calling for Woodsons job at all, but there are some signs he isn’t going to get it done. These signs were there with Crean and Archie too, some fans and the administration just refused to see them until we were a consistent stinker.

Woodson is going to need to turn this season around and get us in the tournament AND use that momentum to land us a dream class in the portal. 

 

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Who?  Name names.  No more of this we could have gotten some unnamed mysterious all American.  

There are literally dozens of names. Lots of other teams have guards that can shoot and stretch the floor. It's not like fans are asking for the next Lebron. We don't need an all American, although that would be nice too. Wanting competent shooters is pretty basic. Woody has had some recruiting wins for sure, but having a bunch of guards that are mediocre shooters at best is going to put a fairly low ceiling on the team.

We haven't had shooters since Crean was here, and that needs to be addressed. It's not necessarily easy, but it's not complicated.


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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

I consider Gunn and Banks part of the Archie crew.  So you’re looking at 4 scholarships.  
 

One recruit, Banks, transferred out.  One went to the NBA.  One is hurt.  What do you want Woodson to do?  Another middle school Bob.  
 

I’ll ask again who?  

No clue why you’d consider Banks part of the “Archie crew” when he committed to IU after Archie was long gone. And Gunn never played a second for Archie. Woodson chose to keep his commitment. That’s a Woodson player.

I want Woodson to be able to go out and land guard contributors in the portal. I mean, let’s not pretend that there were zero guards in the portal. Woodson just couldn’t get any of them to come to IU. That’s on him. It’s literally his job to build the roster. He has utterly failed to build a roster that fits 2023 basketball. We’re 345th in the country in 3pt percentage and 361st in the country in 3pt attempts. It’s inexcusable, yet some make all the excuses in the world for him. 

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I only watched a few minutes of the game but what I saw was discouraging. I got home and turned on the game when IU was up by double digits with under 10 minutes in the second half. I turned it off a few minutes later with IU up only 2 or 3 points. I've seen IU collapse too many times in the last 25 years to waste time watching another one. My 5 year old son asked me why I turned it off and I told him I didn't feel like watching IU play poorly so I just played with him instead. Better use of time.

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Sorry but TJD was just a meh player under Archie.  He was all but gone until Woodson basically told him he had no shot in the NBA.  Woodson made him the player he is today.  When Archie was fired, recruiting was meh, the programs future was a mess.  It was nothing close to something like Coach K stepping away from Duke - a solid foundation under the program 

TJD averaged 19/9 as a sophomore and had this resume. In what world was he a “meh player” under Archie? 

2020-21 (Sophomore)
• Third Team All-American (Sporting News, NABC, USBWA)
• Honorable Mention All-American (AP)
• All-Big Ten (First Team by Media and AP; Second Team by Coaches)
• Wooden Award Finalist
• Karl Malone Award Finalist
• 2x Big Ten Player of the Week (Dec. 7, Jan. 11)
• All-Maui Invitational

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No clue why you’d consider Banks part of the “Archie crew” when he committed to IU after Archie was long gone. And Gunn never played a second for Archie. Woodson chose to keep his commitment. That’s a Woodson player.

I want Woodson to be able to go out and land guard contributors in the portal. I mean, let’s not pretend that there were zero guards in the portal. Woodson just couldn’t get any of them to come to IU. That’s on him. It’s literally his job to build the roster. He has utterly failed to build a roster that fits 2023 basketball. We’re 345th in the country in 3pt percentage and 361st in the country in 3pt attempts. It’s inexcusable, yet some make all the excuses in the world for him. 

There's only one Miller player that plays significant minutes too.

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5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

There's only one Miller player that plays significant minutes too.

And Woodson chose to leave a scholarship open, so we can’t blame the other Miller player for taking up a scholarship. Woodson built this roster, flaws and all. 

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

And Woodson chose to leave a scholarship open, so we can’t blame the other Miller player for taking up a scholarship. Woodson built this roster, flaws and all. 

It makes no sense that people are trying to place any of the blame of this team on Miller. I'm not surprised though, people did the same with Crean when Miller was coach. They can't come up with a good way to defend the current coach so they blame the previous one.

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37 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

It makes no sense that people are trying to place any of the blame of this team on Miller. I'm not surprised though, people did the same with Crean when Miller was coach. They can't come up with a good way to defend the current coach so they blame the previous one.

Archie has nothing to do with this team. If we want to blame Archie for this year’s shortcomings then should we give him kudos for last year’s success considering his players/recruits (TJD and Race) played a significant role? 

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1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

Archie has nothing to do with this team. If we want to blame Archie for this year’s shortcomings then should we give him kudos for last year’s success considering his players/recruits (TJD and Race) played a significant role? 

Exactly it’s year 3.  This is Woodsons team if he didn’t want a player he’s had more than enough time to replace them 

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Here’s a problem for Woodson too.  We have a roster where there’s no help on the way really for what we are missing. He needs to keep the guys we have and land a solid contributor in the transfer portal. Our best guard is gone after this year and we have two guys clearly staring down the NBA although their play against good teams might indicate they aren’t ready.  That doesn’t mean they are staying. 
 

He either needs to keep everybody and get one stud. Or get up to 3-4 studs in the portal.  That’s not realistic given his track record. Currently we look to be a worse team in year 4. Peaking in year 2 is not a recipe for success 

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2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Here’s a problem for Woodson too.  We have a roster where there’s no help on the way really for what we are missing. He needs to keep the guys we have and land a solid contributor in the transfer portal. Our best guard is gone after this year and we have two guys clearly staring down the NBA although their play against good teams might indicate they aren’t ready.  That doesn’t mean they are staying. 
 

He either needs to keep everybody and get one stud. Or get up to 3-4 studs in the portal.  That’s not realistic given his track record. Currently we look to be a worse team in year 4. Peaking in year 2 is not a recipe for success 

Transfer portal changes the game now a days for coaches.     No one can truly say how a teams outlook is going to look for next year until things shake out in the portal.    IU got hit with a combination of things with their guard situation.   JHS was recruited for a multiple year position however he ended up being a 1 and done.    If they originally recruited him as a 1 and done I’m guessing they recruit another lead guard in the class.     The Newton re injury of his knee was not expected for the staff.   If the staff knew he would be a red shirt they would have recruited another guard in the class.     The transfer portal was where they didn’t take advantage of the situation.  Call It being to picky or too confident they were going to get a top target in the portal they passed on several kids that would of probably of gotten plenty of opportunities here and for whatever reason the staff decided to pass on which is their choice.   The kid from Dayton that ended up at San Francisco comes to mind.    IU was in his top 5 and looked like if they pursued they would have had a great chance at landing him but early on it was reported the staff passed.   Is he a superstar? No but I feel from watching him at San Francisco he could of helped.    Staff was probably too picky in going after certain kids thinking if what they had was better or projected to better why go after some of these kids.    Clearly it didn’t work out but with the portal not being successful one year doesn’t mean they won’t be successful next year 

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17 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Here’s a problem for Woodson too.  We have a roster where there’s no help on the way really for what we are missing. He needs to keep the guys we have and land a solid contributor in the transfer portal. Our best guard is gone after this year and we have two guys clearly staring down the NBA although their play against good teams might indicate they aren’t ready.  That doesn’t mean they are staying. 
 

He either needs to keep everybody and get one stud. Or get up to 3-4 studs in the portal.  That’s not realistic given his track record. Currently we look to be a worse team in year 4. Peaking in year 2 is not a recipe for success 

And he won't have a title game run to bail him out for a few years like Davis did.