How far away is IUBB from being elite again?

[realTomCrean]

It’s hard to be elite without a single proven elite player/coach 

[HoosierAloha]

Villanova isn’t anywhere close to the top 10 this season, and it’s unlikely all 3 of UNC, Duke and Villanovas succession plans work.   
 
Let’s put it another way: if you’re the AD and Woody said put a top 10 elite team on the schedule for ‘24-25. If their not “elite”/top 10 when we play them , you’re fired.  Who are you scheduling? 
 
There’s quite a few teams I get to before Villanova. In fact, I’m taking teams like Gonzaga and Virginia over UNC, most likely.  
 
I’m happy to revisit this thread in a couple years and see whose predictions turn out correct. 

Elite, to me, is recent past up until now not including immediate future. Virginia would be around that elite status. Gonzaga isn’t far behind either.


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[HoosierAloha]

Saw this picture of a Ukranian soldier and it obviously caught my eye.
Maybe IU has a secret elite military unit we don't know about? 

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[southernindianahoosier2]

5 hours ago, btownqb said:

Sampson!?!?! 

He was the only good coach of the bunch 

[IU Scott]

23 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

He was the only good coach of the bunch 

More to coaching than just the on court stuff, which he was good at. It is the other things that made him wrong for IU. It was bringing in druggies and pimps that were the problems and guys who didn't care about going to class.

[Hoosierfan2017]

38 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

More to coaching than just the on court stuff, which he was good at. It is the other things that made him wrong for IU. It was bringing in druggies and pimps that were the problems and guys who didn't care about going to class.

Athletes not caring about going to class was far from exclusive to Sampson. I and some of my friends had classes with IU basketball players, and even the ones you’d expect to care would rarely show up. 

He’s got Houston rolling. #3 in the country. Could’ve been doing it here but IU was too self-righteous. 

[IU Scott]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Athletes not caring about going to class was far from exclusive to Sampson. I and some of my friends had classes with IU basketball players, and even the ones you’d expect to care would rarely show up. 

He’s got Houston rolling. #3 in the country. Could’ve been doing it here but IU was too self-righteous. 

I bet those players team didn't have 19 F's on them. Don't know when you were at IU but it had to be after RMK was there because he made sure guys went to class. He kicked off Darryl Thomas way on because he didn't go to class. Let him back on the team after he showed he was serious about going to class.

[Rico]

36 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Athletes not caring about going to class was far from exclusive to Sampson. I and some of my friends had classes with IU basketball players, and even the ones you’d expect to care would rarely show up. 

He’s got Houston rolling. #3 in the country. Could’ve been doing it here but IU was too self-righteous. 

I would say Sampson doesn't recruit student-athletes.  He recruits basketball players.  

[CSP]

7 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

He was the only good coach of the bunch 

Helluva statement. He won B1G titles here? 

[CSP]

6 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Athletes not caring about going to class was far from exclusive to Sampson. I and some of my friends had classes with IU basketball players, and even the ones you’d expect to care would rarely show up. 

He’s got Houston rolling. #3 in the country. Could’ve been doing it here but IU was too self-righteous. 

Sampson screwed up a great team he had built. And a great opportunity. 

[Honkyman]

14 hours ago, btownqb said:

Sampson screwed up a great team he had built. And a great opportunity. 

I agree. But he was the best coach we've had since Bobby Knight.

[LamarCheeks]

The answer to the question posed in the thread -- further away than we'd like. But let's take a minute to celebrate that elite status. 

Happy National Championship Day!

On this day (March 30), we captured nattys in 1940, '81 and '87. 

[jepwatso]

55 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

The answer to the question posed in the thread -- further away than we'd like. But let's take a minute to celebrate that elite status. 

Happy National Championship Day!

On this day (March 30), we captured nattys in 1940, '81 and '87. 

Beautiful

Is that Dan Dakich bottom right? Gotta be…

[Rico]

3 hours ago, jepwatso said:

Beautiful

Is that Dan Dakich bottom right? Gotta be…

I was thinking Dan was a grad @$$'t on that team?

[HoosierHoopster]

41 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

IU had a first-team All-American as a 4th year Senior. A 5 star Freshman was backing him up, along with another 5 star PG that is likely a first round draft pick. Also a 6th yr & 5th year Senior starters. So they had experience and talent this past season.....what were they missing to be 'elite'? Not very athletic on the wing. Not much bench production. Not prolific 3pt shooters (high % but on low volume).....what else?

Harder to define elite this year. I don't like to compare them strictly to the teams successful in the NCAA's, since it's pretty obvious this season's Final Four sucks. Much like UNC last season, Miami & UConn are solid teams that caught fire at the right time. SDSU?  Nice defensive team that benefited from a wrecked bracket, basically only having to beat Bama and a favorable call against Creighton.  

Don't mean to quibble but UCONN is an excellent team that went through a tough conference stretch of 4-5 games. They're deserving of where they are.

[Scotty R]

46 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

IU had a first-team All-American as a 4th year Senior. A 5 star Freshman was backing him up, along with another 5 star PG that is likely a first round draft pick. Also a 6th yr & 5th year Senior starters. So they had experience and talent this past season.....what were they missing to be 'elite'? Not very athletic on the wing. Not much bench production. Not prolific 3pt shooters (high % but on low volume).....what else?

Harder to define elite this year. I don't like to compare them strictly to the teams successful in the NCAA's, since it's pretty obvious this season's Final Four sucks. Much like UNC last season, Miami & UConn are solid teams that caught fire at the right time. SDSU?  Nice defensive team that benefited from a wrecked bracket, basically only having to beat Bama and a favorable call against Creighton.  

This year's final four doesn't suck all, love this final four

[Dave from Dayton]

51 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

IU had a first-team All-American as a 4th year Senior. A 5 star Freshman was backing him up, along with another 5 star PG that is likely a first round draft pick. Also a 6th yr & 5th year Senior starters. So they had experience and talent this past season.....what were they missing to be 'elite'? Not very athletic on the wing. Not much bench production. Not prolific 3pt shooters (high % but on low volume).....what else?

Harder to define elite this year. I don't like to compare them strictly to the teams successful in the NCAA's, since it's pretty obvious this season's Final Four sucks. Much like UNC last season, Miami & UConn are solid teams that caught fire at the right time. SDSU?  Nice defensive team that benefited from a wrecked bracket, basically only having to beat Bama and a favorable call against Creighton.  

Well, IU did what many of us thought they might do at the start of the season.  But, they ended up with the backup point guard, a freshman.  Albeit a 5* but that does not count much as one gets to college play.  We did not have a great defense.  We did not have great wings.  We had a weak bench. We did not have great shooters.   We had inconsistent play.  And we only won 2 out of 3 games with a bad couple of losses.

When IU wins or competes favorably in the big ten and goes far into the NCAA Tournament on consecutive years...and the point guard and wings are not freshmen, and the bench is strong down to say 8 players, and we make our free throws, and get the lose balls, and the players try hard most of the time and refuse to lose...then you might say we are elite.

In this day and age of semi-pro college basketball...good luck with that.

I think we are getting closer and closer with Woody.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

IU had a first-team All-American as a 4th year Senior. A 5 star Freshman was backing him up, along with another 5 star PG that is likely a first round draft pick. Also a 6th yr & 5th year Senior starters. So they had experience and talent this past season.....what were they missing to be 'elite'? Not very athletic on the wing. Not much bench production. Not prolific 3pt shooters (high % but on low volume).....what else?

Harder to define elite this year. I don't like to compare them strictly to the teams successful in the NCAA's, since it's pretty obvious this season's Final Four sucks. Much like UNC last season, Miami & UConn are solid teams that caught fire at the right time. SDSU?  Nice defensive team that benefited from a wrecked bracket, basically only having to beat Bama and a favorable call against Creighton.  

In my opinion, what separates everyone this time of year is great guards. Athletic playmakers.

Look at the 4 teams left. All have guys who can score the ball and make plays. Who did we really have that could do that?

[southernindianahoosier2]

7 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

IU had a first-team All-American as a 4th year Senior. A 5 star Freshman was backing him up, along with another 5 star PG that is likely a first round draft pick. Also a 6th yr & 5th year Senior starters. So they had experience and talent this past season.....what were they missing to be 'elite'? Not very athletic on the wing. Not much bench production. Not prolific 3pt shooters (high % but on low volume).....what else?

Harder to define elite this year. I don't like to compare them strictly to the teams successful in the NCAA's, since it's pretty obvious this season's Final Four sucks. Much like UNC last season, Miami & UConn are solid teams that caught fire at the right time. SDSU?  Nice defensive team that benefited from a wrecked bracket, basically only having to beat Bama and a favorable call against Creighton.  

Outside of TJD, I don't see how we can't upgrade from Kopp, Race, Tamar next year. I don't think our supporting cast was as good as fans thought.  I believed all three of them averaged a combined 22pts a game. Tamar's last 16games he only averaged 3 a game. Neither of those 3 could drive the ball. 

 

So you have Malik, Galloway, and X returning. Per 40min X=15, Galloway = 10 Malik = 10 So you have 35pts there, You need another 40 from Cupps, Sparks, and 1-2 more transfers. Assuming Cupps = 6, Sparks = 10, we have a 24pt hole. Caleb Love averages 17, and so now you need 7-10 points. 

 

If we also adapt offense to look more like Penn States, Miami's etc then I could see production numbers improving

 

[cthomas]

In response to the original question, I think we, and any number of other teams, are just $$$$ away from being as good as we want to be.