Mike Woodson to be next IUBB coach. Thad Matta to be associate AD

[hoosierbannerd]

Just now, IUCrazy2 said:

**** the Masshole.  He did not want to be here.  Woody did.

Agreed, thus I think continuing with Stevens talk has hit "jump the shark" time.  Woody is our coach, let's move on.

[maharkn]

This is my first rodeo- so to speak-not as terrible as I've been told so far.  To think some people "prep" on purpose.. nope, I'm freakin hungry!

Yeah I'm not a fan. The only joy is knowing that a big steak will be had soon after

 

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[NOLA Hoosier]

Series of events:

1.) IU hires Woodson/Matta.

2.) Zaga finally matches the ‘76 season.

3.) Push that reset button hard, REbuild the culture, make Indiana a brand again, bring the former players back, push the program forward into the modern day.

4.) Win. Finally. 

Woodson is honestly perfect for the changing aspects of the game. There are a ton of intangibles he brings to the table. It’ll take time, but I’m here for it. LFG Woody!

[southernindianahoosier2]

5 minutes ago, NOLA Hoosier said:

Series of events:

1.) IU hires Woodson/Matta.

2.) Zaga finally matches the ‘76 season.

3.) Push that reset button hard, REbuild the culture, make Indiana a brand again, bring the former players back, push the program forward into the modern day.

4.) Win. Finally. 

Woodson is honestly perfect for the changing aspects of the game. There are a ton of intangibles he brings to the table. It’ll take time, but I’m here for it. LFG Woody!

My only worry is that IU needs some serious refreshing. Uniforms, Facilities, some traditions, etc.. can he himself or can he bring someone on to make those changes? 

[NOLA Hoosier]

1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My only worry is that IU needs some serious refreshing. Uniforms, Facilities, some traditions, etc.. can he himself or can he bring someone on to make those changes? 

I think they surround him with a stellar staff, which is absolutely key. I have faith that Dolson is well aware that a total culture overhaul is needed, and I think it’s coming. 

[Old Friend]

28 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Historically Indiana is a top ten program. In the last 20 years, they have not been a top 25 program. Both can be true. Doesn't mean they can't get back. 

The second fact doesn't take them down from blue blood status.   Just like it hasn't for the Knicks.  Just like it hasn't for the Montreal Canadiens.   Both blue blood programs.  Same as IU.  Recent success / failure doesn't affect that.

[BadgerVol]

33 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

BADGE!! Good to see ya bud, hope you’ve been doing well.

Trust me, I get it and it’s not a sexy hire that we all thought it would be. My biggest suggestion is while being frustrated, go into it with an open mind because you never know what might happen. We have Matta on staff, and if we can get some top level assistants this could be a home run situation. If we can somehow get Lewis from UCLA, that brings a high level pedigree for and offensive guru. 
 

Lastly, this fanbase has been fractured ever since Bobby was fired. Instead of us bickering and continuously never being satisfied, let’s finally come together and support our new coach! Give them 100% from us, and maybe we can get over this “curse” that seems to be over this program since Coach Knight. 

Thank you sir. Good to be noticed. I’ve been on IU boards for over 20 years now. Lol!

Yea this one STUNG. I hope he does well. I HATED the Crean hire. Felt reasonably ok with Archie, and this one I am flat as a pancake. I guess we’ll see.

My first litmus test is who comes back as players. This is the group that should be the easiest recruits. They’re already here, have relationships, already committed to the school against other schools, only change is a losing coach to a new brand of basketball. If he meets and doesn’t retain most, I am already GRAVELY concerned for recruiting moving forward.

I’m going to hope and try to be open.

Sorry but this feels like a “good ole boys” hire who wanted “one of theirs.”

[Bowhunter]

The second fact doesn't take them down from blue blood status.   Just like it hasn't for the Knicks.  Just like it hasn't for the Montreal Canadiens.   Both blue blood programs.  Same as IU.  Recent success / failure doesn't affect that.

Old Friend, how do you feel about this hire?


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[BadgerVol]

10 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

This wasn't directed to me, but since I'm of a similar opinion I'll respond. It's not that I think Woodson can't______________. Who knows? He's never done ________________. He's spent his entire career in the NBA. That knowledge might translate, it might not. Spin it however you want his HC record is not stellar (.463). Oh, yeah, he's old too. My primary disappointment is not that I hate Woodson, it's that I think there were so many better options. Guys that are currently coaching in the NCAA. Guys that have a proven record of doing what we want them to do. Not hoping and wishing- but past performance indicating they will continue to succeed. Why didn't we hire an assistant from the Phoenix Suns or T-Wolves, surely one of their guys knows b-ball! We all know why, Woodson got the job because he's an IU letterman. Now we HOPE that "passion" and "understanding" magically turns into wins. I find that to be a 3rd grade mentality, pure fantasy. Hire someone that has shown they can do the job, not who you want it to be. I don't care if this is Woodson's "dream job." I wanna be an astronaut. Neither of us is qualified. Tell me he's the best guy for the job? Top 3? No, no one believes that. Definition of settling. Hugely disappointing. 

Exactly where I’m at. Even for guys who wanted “an IU guy” his names wasn’t floating in those circles at all, and no one can try to say he was. He wasn’t on 98% of fans radars before rumors happened FOR A REASON. 
 

NOW of course we want to believe he’ll do it. In reality we have no reason BUT to believe he will. I remember as a Wisconsin citizen when Crean was hired and told everyone exactly what we hired and it turned out EXACTLY that way. His career at Marquette would repeat itself. BUT most spun and spun Crean so much even they got ME to start to believe he had found all the fixes he needed at IU to be great.

I see A LOT more question marks, unknowns, and points of GRAVE concern with Woodson at the hire than with Crean AND Archie.

He could prove me wrong. I hope he does. But as of right now, I’ve never been less excited for any hire of any team I’ve followed my whole life. This is the text book definition of “color me unimpressed.”

Here goes nothing. 

[southernindianahoosier2]

I think they surround him with a stellar staff, which is absolutely key. I have faith that Dolson is well aware that a total culture overhaul is needed, and I think it’s coming. 

Any inside info? Or is that a gut feeling? I mean the practice facility is nice but you have to compare to the rest of Big10 a few years ago they ranked the b10 jobs and IU was like 6th in facilities. I’m excited for this hire.... but IU needs a serious refresh. I’d go as far to see we need to bring the bison mascot back, etc.


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[mdiu28]

6 minutes ago, BadgerVol said:

Exactly where I’m at. Even for guys who wanted “an IU guy” his names wasn’t floating in those circles at all, and no one can try to say he was. He wasn’t on 98% of fans radars before rumors happened FOR A REASON. 
 

NOW of course we want to believe he’ll do it. In reality we have no reason BUT to believe he will. I remember as a Wisconsin citizen when Crean was hired and told everyone exactly what we hired and it turned out EXACTLY that way. His career at Marquette would repeat itself. BUT most spun and spun Crean so much even they got ME to start to believe he had found all the fixes he needed at IU to be great.

I see A LOT more question marks, unknowns, and points of GRAVE concern with Woodson at the hire than with Crean AND Archie.

He could prove me wrong. I hope he does. But as of right now, I’ve never been less excited for any hire of any team I’ve followed my whole life. This is the text book definition of “color me unimpressed.”

Here goes nothing. 

Ok. 

Who would you have been excited with, that we could actually get, that isn't named Brad Stevens?

[BadgerVol]

6 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

Ok. 

Who would you have been excited with, that we could actually get, that isn't named Brad Stevens?

Not gonna go that road with you. I’ll name names “NOT Stevens” and then you’ll just say they wouldn’t come regardless of the money we thru at them. So you. Can take your “win.” Woodson is the best candidate we could have gotten and we should all be thrilled at such a great hire.

Kudos.

[NOLA Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Any inside info? Or is that a gut feeling? I mean the practice facility is nice but you have to compare to the rest of Big10 a few years ago they ranked the b10 jobs and IU was like 6th in facilities. I’m excited for this hire.... but IU needs a serious refresh. I’d go as far to see we need to bring the bison mascot back, etc.


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No inside info, just gut. The key will be if Thad stays for a couple years to set the program up, and if homerun assistants come in to help with recruiting. Dolson seemed like he wanted Arch out, welcome back the former players, get a guy with a good media personality to be a face for the program, and start to bring IU into the modern game with an NBA style.

The thing that’s got me most excited is we now have a lot of “IU guys” not there just because they’re IU guys, but because they’re passionate about where the program is going. That’s already far better than just a couple years ago. 

[OKHOOSIER]

22 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

This wasn't directed to me, but since I'm of a similar opinion I'll respond. It's not that I think Woodson can't______________. Who knows? He's never done ________________. He's spent his entire career in the NBA. That knowledge might translate, it might not. Spin it however you want his HC record is not stellar (.463). Oh, yeah, he's old too. My primary disappointment is not that I hate Woodson, it's that I think there were so many better options. Guys that are currently coaching in the NCAA. Guys that have a proven record of doing what we want them to do. Not hoping and wishing- but past performance indicating they will continue to succeed. Why didn't we hire an assistant from the Phoenix Suns or T-Wolves, surely one of their guys knows b-ball! We all know why, Woodson got the job because he's an IU letterman. Now we HOPE that "passion" and "understanding" magically turns into wins. I find that to be a 3rd grade mentality, pure fantasy. Hire someone that has shown they can do the job, not who you want it to be. I don't care if this is Woodson's "dream job." I wanna be an astronaut. Neither of us is qualified. Tell me he's the best guy for the job? Top 3? No, no one believes that. Definition of settling. Hugely disappointing. 

Guys keep bringing up his winning percentage in the NBA, and maybe it is because people don't understand or watch the NBA, but .463 is far from terrible. In fact it it about average all time, including the ABA. People love this one around here, so if you throw out his first two seasons a la crean, in Atlanta where the team he inherited was hot trash, even though the win total improved, his coaching record becomes .557 and right on about the top 50 NBA coaches of all time. Also, it takes him .002, 2 thousandths of a point off the current head coach at Boston's career average which stands at a blistering .559. Winning in the NBA is hard. Very hard. Rick Pitino is considered "not a failure in the NBA" and his lifetime record is .466, and he, despite his misgivings, was/is a pretty decent college basketball coach. The numbers are easy to point to, but they don't mean near as much in the NBA as they do in college, and are not a real accurate barometer of whether or not a guy would/could be successful in college.

[Shoes_N_Shorts]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

With a loaded roster left by his buddy Dean. (I mean...Davis took Knights players to a FF.) Then what? He never recruited and bolted on the job leaving nothing for Doherty. Who ironically recruited the national championship team for ol’ Roy. 
 

Those were still two bad hires that nobody else would’ve made. To unc’s credit they corrected them quickly... unlike IU. 

Not directing this at you personally, but I see this take everywhere. 
1. Davis took those players farther than Knight himself ever did. There is a lot to be said for letting players play and grow in confidence. 
 

2. Davis recruited the hell out of those guys, especially Newton and Moye among others. They were just as much his guys as Knight’s, maybe moreso. 
 

I encourage anyone who hasn’t yet to listen to A.J. Guyton’s interview with him. Those players loved Mike Davis.

*end rant
 

[OGIUAndy]

8 minutes ago, BadgerVol said:

Not gonna go that road with you. I’ll name names “NOT Stevens” and then you’ll just say they wouldn’t come regardless of the money we thru at them. So you. Can take your “win.” Woodson is the best candidate we could have gotten and we should all be thrilled at such a great hire.

Kudos.

No one has to be happy with any hire, but the deed has been done. IMHO the assistant staff will be as important if not more so than ever before. So let's hope we get a good group. Hunter would be a steal if they kept him. 

[mdiu28]

5 minutes ago, BadgerVol said:

Not gonna go that road with you. I’ll name names “NOT Stevens” and then you’ll just say they wouldn’t come regardless of the money we thru at them. So you. Can take your “win.” Woodson is the best candidate we could have gotten and we should all be thrilled at such a great hire.

Kudos.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You'll never see me tell anyone what they should feel about anything. 

Before you just assume I'm trying to "win" something, I'm not thrilled with the hire either but like most, I'll get behind him and give him a shot. Just asked a question. 

[BadgerVol]

1 minute ago, OGIUAndy said:

No one has to be happy with any hire, but the deed has been done. IMHO the assistant staff will be as important if not more so than ever before. So let's hope we get a good group. Hunter would be a steal if they kept him. 

I agree. SOOO hoping to have a GREAT staff. Not even one guy that fans say “who the heck is this dude and why is he coaching college hoops??” 

[Magisterium]

42 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My only worry is that IU needs some serious refreshing. Uniforms, Facilities, some traditions, etc.. can he himself or can he bring someone on to make those changes? 

not sure what can be done in regard to facilities, except maybe renovate/expand Cook Hall somehow?

[southernindianahoosier2]

No inside info, just gut. The key will be if Thad stays for a couple years to set the program up, and if homerun assistants come in to help with recruiting. Dolson seemed like he wanted Arch out, welcome back the former players, get a guy with a good media personality to be a face for the program, and start to bring IU into the modern game with an NBA style.
The thing that’s got me most excited is we now have a lot of “IU guys” not there just because they’re IU guys, but because they’re passionate about where the program is going. That’s already far better than just a couple years ago. 

I mean there were big complaints with Tom Creans program of playing a ton of cupcakes. The fans pointed it out and Archie solved that problem. I feel like the fans are pointing out the issues of a refresh so I’m hopeful the same happens.

I want to hire anyone for a role who says it’s their Dream Job. I’m exited.


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