General Coach Candidate News

[Evariste Galois]

Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

So what's your solution, Obi Wan? You want to re-hire Archie? Let the process run it's course... and stop being such a fatalist...

+1000

We are actually arguing over many really great potential coaches. We are only ~10 days out and it seems like we missed on our top choice. It took 10 days last time and got our top choice and we seem to be swinging harder this year.  

[Unexpectedflash]

1 minute ago, TadQueasy said:

What exactly does he do that is so innovative?  

Someone already posted this but it's a good read. I like reading that he can change up his defense in an offseason because he saw something that wasn't working. 

 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

[Unexpectedflash]

1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

He uses analytics which has ruined the game of basketball.  When you take half the court away to defend it makes it easier to guard you.  It is all 3's and layups and nothing else.  if you aren't hitting your 3's then you are in bad shape.

I like that they're the number 2 kenpom defense but that's just me. I've watched 75% of Alabama's games this year so what you're saying just isn't true. They have struggled to shoot from 3 in games and have still pulled out the win. 

[Moye > Boozer]

7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

the names from power 5 I see hasn't done it more than a couple of years in Musselman and Oats.  Oats was 16-15 last year at Alabama so we are going to go off of one good season.  We said Davis won with RMK players and a lot of Oats players were already at Alabama when Oats got there.

I don't want to belabor a point and I posted this article a couple hours ago about Oats, but if anyone reads it, you'll see what Oats really has working for him is ......... AN ACTUAL WINNING PLAN.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

Some people, including Scott Dolson, refer to this as "vision". Other people refer to it as "culture" ------ all the same thing really. It's about establishing a "true north" direction for something ---- a company, a non-profit, a sports organization, etc. and it is what ultimately leads to establishing a BRAND or IDENTITY (something else Dolson spoke of though he couldn't really articulate what the IU identity was when asked).

And THAT is what we need. Dolson said as much in his press conference ---- someone who has a vision and someone who can convince Dolson of an ability to put it into action. 

It's the same reason the Cubs hired Theo. He had a plan to build a winning culture from the inside out. A world series and however many playoff appearances in a row and he obviously accomplished what he set out to do. 

So I cannot dismiss Oats for that simple reason. Especially because he did it quickly. But I will happily accept anybody --- including those with Hoosier ties --- who understand this concept and who can actually DO WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY CAN.

[SlamaJamaSisley]

1 minute ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I like reading that he can change up his defense in an offseason because he saw something that wasn't working. 

That has to be fake news!  We all know it takes at least 3+ years to implement a new defensive scheme.  

[AZ Hoosier]

43 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

LOL!  I have been a fan of IU longer and most on here has been alive.  I know what great IU teams look like and what made those teams great.  If we can't get guys like Stevens or Bennett or Beard then I would rather go with an IU guy over the next flavor of the month coach.  Crean and Archie was considered very good hires who was up and coming and how did that work.

To be fair, Crean spent the first couple of season wading around in the cesspool that Sampson built... but Crean was definitely here too long after screwing up the Cody/Vic team - should have been at least a Final Four run, but Crean could not beat a zone... 

Archie just failed to develop the program... 

And to your point, both were regaled as good hires... and ultimately, here we are again.

[TadQueasy]

1 minute ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Someone already posted this but it's a good read. I like reading that he can change up his defense in an offseason because he saw something that wasn't working. 

 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

I think we have a misunderstanding of innovative.  

None of that is innovative.  That stuff has been around awhile.  

[Unexpectedflash]

Just now, TadQueasy said:

I think we have a misunderstanding of innovative.  

None of that is innovative.  That stuff has been around awhile.  

I don't see many other college teams running it

[Trish]

I'll be turning on my Twitter notifications tomorrow. I think we'll know by Saturday. 

If we don't have a new coach by Monday then it's probably Oats buy-out or Drew. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

12 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Well Oats is winning with other coaches players for the most part

No he’s not. Most of his players are his own. Oats had success at a mid major and has almost immediately carried that over at the P5 level. He won the conference and conference tournament in year 2 and has his squad in the sweet 16. He also plays modern basketball which is both aesthetically pleasing for fans and attractive to recruits hoping to play in the NBA. Not at all comparable to Mike Davis really. 

[AZ Hoosier]

10 minutes ago, Treesh said:

How the hell do you remember that entire roster LOL

 

It's called "being a fan". :D

[TadQueasy]

2 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I don't see many other college teams running it

You dont see any other teams playing fast, shooting 3s and playing tough defense?  

Seriously? 

[Evariste Galois]

1 minute ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I don't see many other college teams running it

Nihil sub sole novum - things cycle around. If a team came out with Loyola Marymount's 7 second offense it would seem pretty new now. 

[Coach Robby]

Do some of you actually think Oats is a real possibility? Sorry, I just don't see it adding up. Might be nice to think about, but 0 chance he comes here. 0. Would make no sense at all.

[Trish]

7 minutes ago, Moye > Boozer said:

I don't want to belabor a point and I posted this article a couple hours ago about Oats, but if anyone reads it, you'll see what Oats really has working for him is ......... AN ACTUAL WINNING PLAN.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

Some people, including Scott Dolson, refer to this as "vision". Other people refer to it as "culture" ------ all the same thing really. It's about establishing a "true north" direction for something ---- a company, a non-profit, a sports organization, etc. and it is what ultimately leads to establishing a BRAND or IDENTITY (something else Dolson spoke of though he couldn't really articulate what the IU identity was when asked).

And THAT is what we need. Dolson said as much in his press conference ---- someone who has a vision and someone who can convince Dolson of an ability to put it into action. 

It's the same reason the Cubs hired Theo. He had a plan to build a winning culture from the inside out. A world series and however many playoff appearances in a row and he obviously accomplished what he set out to do. 

So I cannot dismiss Oats for that simple reason. Especially because he did it quickly. But I will happily accept anybody --- including those with Hoosier ties --- who understand this concept and who can actually DO WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY CAN.

This is a great Article. Tell Chris to cut the check, I want OATS! 

[Trish]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

It's called "being a fan". :D

I had season tickets when we were #1 in 2013.

Then we lost to a Zone and didn't watch the next year because of CTC. 

You might be onto something.. 

[Kentuckysucks]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

This is a great Article. Tell Chris to cut the check, I want OATS! 

 

[Unexpectedflash]

1 minute ago, Coach Robby said:

Do some of you actually think Oats is a real possibility? Sorry, I just don't see it adding up. Might be nice to think about, but 0 chance he comes here. 0. Would make no sense at all.

Everyone instantly eliminates him because of the buyout and reports saying he's not interested. I just know at Buffalo he said he was going to make them the next Gonzaga and he wasn't going to leave then took the Alabama job a week later. Granted he's a long shot but so are most of the people talked about. It'd be Dolson's job to convince him to come here if he was sold on him. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

Do some of you actually think Oats is a real possibility? Sorry, I just don't see it adding up. Might be nice to think about, but 0 chance he comes here. 0. Would make no sense at all.

No. But that’s the level of coach that Dolson should be shooting for, not any random coach with an IU degree.

[NashvilleHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

Do some of you actually think Oats is a real possibility? Sorry, I just don't see it adding up. Might be nice to think about, but 0 chance he comes here. 0. Would make no sense at all.

Just curious why it doesn't make sense? He's from Wisconsin, coached at Buffalo previously (i.e has not connection to Alabama or the South), we could offer a substantial raise, we can pay the buyout, and he's at a place where football will always be king. And king probably doesn't cover it. A 0-12 Bama football team will overshadow a 32-0 Bama basketball team every day of the week by a lot.