lillurk Posted January 27, 2021 Posted January 27, 2021 Listen, no one wants a rebuild but that isn’t what we need. It’s not even what we needed when Archie was hired. College basketball programs change quickly, even those that don’t get 1-and-dones regularly, and it was a red flag when Miller’s media mouthpieces said it was. No one expects a ton in year 1. Take some sit out transfers, hit the trail hard, strike while you’re the new thing in town, watch literally one (1) good offense and figure out what they do, realize 3s are worth 50% more, etc. At a place resourced like IU, you may have some down years after early draft entries or whatever, but unless you have a Sampson-esque apocalypse, multi-year, miss the tourney rebuilds just shouldn’t be necessary. Josh and Maedhros 2
cthomas Posted January 27, 2021 Posted January 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Stuhoo said: Hey all of you "I forgive you--come back Kelvin Sampson" proponents. Kelvin's first superstar recruit to IU (he was #5 nationally when we snagged him) is back in the news today! Yippeeeeeeee good times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.lex18.com/news/crime/lexington-couple-arrested-in-missouri-after-k9-finds-10-pounds-of-meth-valued-at-453-000 Nothing like having our program mentioned in a story like that. The kid obviously had talent. Whatever pushed him into the drug business ruined the young man's life. Honestly, it makes me sad to see how this turned out. Fandom aside, I hope all of these young men achieve their dreams.
Hoosier Guy Posted January 27, 2021 Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: What class was he in? I guess I don't remember him. But I was in the 7th grade when Sampson got here. I was in 6th grade his first season Loaded Chicken Sandwich 1
woodenshoemanHoosierfan Posted January 27, 2021 Posted January 27, 2021 Sometimes you've gotta spend money to make money. Continuing to bet on a dead horse is not the way. The money is there. Dolson just needs to make it happenWe shall see. I am pretty confident in my opinion Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
cappymo14 Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Call me crazy as the leader of the Archie bandwagon, but I think there is a chance.. a chance to be better next year. Assuming nature take it's course and our players develop, TJD returns, and we add Parker and Joey / Luke.. I mean.. on paper... and don't forget.. Al can return for another year... yeah it's all wishful thinking but... I’d say I’m in the camp that says they will be better. If Trace returns i think they could be very good. What about Brunk too? I look at it and see Size depth, guard depth, shooting, athleticism, toughness. Off season development for the current Freshman class that has already impressed. We’d have 3-4 A+ defenders with experience and most importantly, rebounding which we DO NOT HAVE NOW. In my opinion, it’s low probability that they wouldn’t be better.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Trish 1
Chris007 Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, Josh said: Yes it is my opinion. What a great movie.
cthomas Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 The real danger is that a coach does just enough to not get fired. The murky area between good enough and not is what we have to worry about. If finances are an issue and CAM does just enough to satisfy the decision makers, then an extension is likely and we will continue down the very same path.
TheWatShot Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Crean accomplished a lot more and was fired because it wasn't enough. Keeping Archie Miller around wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, considering he's come nowhere close to where Crean had us. And please, nobody promote the myth that we have to extend him so he can recruit. That's a trick that desperate coaches like to use when they're in trouble. lillurk and Maedhros 2
Popular Post Uspshoosier Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: Crean accomplished a lot more and was fired because it wasn't enough. Keeping Archie Miller around wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, considering he's come nowhere close to where Crean had us. And please, nobody promote the myth that we have to extend him so he can recruit. That's a trick that desperate coaches like to use when they're in trouble. Definitely not a myth. Other coaches can point to recruits why would you go to X school when the coach recruiting you might not be there by the time you get on campus. The school isn’t invested in the coach so why should you. Stuhoo, Chris007, HoosierAloha and 6 others 9
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Definitely not a myth. Other coaches can point to recruits why would you go to X school when the coach recruiting you might not be there by the time you get on campus. The school isn’t invested in the coach so why should you. Yea because a kid can never decommit.
Bowhunter Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Was he actually good? Like outside of the crack? Like if he wasnt a drug dealer, how good would be have been? Would we still have gotten Gordon? And how the hell do high school kids start selling crack? Yes, Bud Mackey would have been good if he stayed clean’Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app JaybobHoosier 1
Uspshoosier Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: Yea because a kid can never decommit. Kids can always decommit. If a coach is recruiting classes beyond his extension my guess would be that he is not going to be around much longer. That’s just the way recruiting works. Contracts are made with this in mind. It’s why you will never see a coach start out with a 3 year contract and it’s why coaches get extended for 1 or 2 years( when the school doesn’t extend longer) when their contract is nearly up. After Crean won the B1G this last time he was pissed that they didn’t offer him extension after that. Writing was on the wall then what IU’s direction was going to be. Next year will be the year people will know IU’s direction. If Archie goes all of next year without at least a 2 year extension he isn’t going to be around. If they give him a 1 or 2 year extension then they are giving him a little more rope Class of '66 Old Fart, HoosierAloha, Chris007 and 3 others 6
Stuhoo Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: Yea because a kid can never decommit. Any kid that commits while thinking “I can always decommit” is someone you do not want in your program. thebigweave, 8bucks, woodenshoemanHoosierfan and 1 other 4
kreigh8 Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: Any kid that commits while thinking “I can always decommit” is someone you do not want in your program. Josh Smith never decommitted, but I would have taken him in a heartbeat. Trying to rack my brain on any verbals that "got away" and he was the closest thing I could remember.
Josh Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 48 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Definitely not a myth. Other coaches can point to recruits why would you go to X school when the coach recruiting you might not be there by the time you get on campus. The school isn’t invested in the coach so why should you. All the more reason to fire him as soon as this season is over Hardwood83 1
rcbowla Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 Is that even an option? I was under the impression that a Booster couldn't earmark a donation like that.... unless it is something like naming rights to a building or something.... can a booster come in and say ok I have $15 million dollars that I will give you right this moment if you Fire Archie now... these funds are only to be used to pay for his Buyout, the Buyout of "Oats" (just as an example), and to pay "Oats" salary for the 1st year of his new contract.... Is that something that could conceivably be done? I get that boosters may have some influence, may have the ear of the university/AD/President.... but do they really have a final say in anything? OR is it something like I donate $15 million dollars every year, and I go tell them I am not donating anymore until Archie is gone... type situation?I'm sure they could go against the booster's wishes but would have to assume they'd never see another dime if soSent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: Any kid that commits while thinking “I can always decommit” is someone you do not want in your program. There isn't a thing wrong with having a backup plan.
LamarCheeks Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, kreigh8 said: Josh Smith never decommitted, but I would have taken him in a heartbeat. Trying to rack my brain on any verbals that "got away" and he was the closest thing I could remember. I believe Trey Lyles verbaled, then backed out and picked -- of all places -- Kentucky. JBJ verbaled, then decommitted, then recommitted -- mainly, I think, because after all the dust had settled, Calipari had given his spot away. kreigh8, lillurk and JaybobHoosier 3
kreigh8 Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said: I believe Trey Lyles committed, then backed out and picked -- of all places -- Kentucky. JBJ committed, then decommitted, then recommitted -- mainly, I think, because after all the dust had settled, Calipari had given his spot away. Oh, good call. Trey Lyles college career wouldn't blow anyone away, but I'd have taken him too.
WayneFleekHoosier Posted January 28, 2021 Posted January 28, 2021 If I was Archie Miller I’d be embarrassed. I’d also be rich and staring down the barrel of a 10 million dollar buyout. IUBB is just plain sad. I can’t even enjoy the Tank Train. I know one thing. Archie ain’t it! Prove me wrong. Lolzzzzzz, that’s all I got.Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners lillurk, Hoosierfan2017, Loaded Chicken Sandwich and 4 others 7
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