General Coach Candidate News

[Over 100 Games]

30 minutes ago, Over 100 Games said:

All likeliness of interest/chances aside, I feel like this is the hierarchy of coaches to be considered: 

Dream Scenario (will probably never happen):
1. Brad Stevens

2. Billy Donovan 

Tier 1: 

3. Scott Drew 

4. Chris Beard 

Tier 2: 

5. (A lot will disagree with this, BUT): Greg Marshall. Guy did get in trouble, but he’s an amazing coach that we would have never had a shot at before. Very Knight-like.
 

6. Eric Musselman -  Killed it at Nevada - and went 21-5 this year! What a record! Never had less than a 20 win season as a head coach.
 

7. Craig Smith - Utah State head coach and COY in 3 different conferences. Very impressive record. Have no idea why his name hasn’t been tossed around. He’s like Musselman except 8 years younger.

 

Tier 3: 

8. Chris Jans - was under Greg Marshall for a long time. Currently head coach at New Mexico St - several winning seasons under his belt. This year his team somewhat under performed but he has had an impressive career. 

9. Dane Fife

A few more Tier 3 Names: 

10. Casey Alexander - current head coach for Belmont. Did a great job at Lipscomb, and now at Belmont was26 -7 in his first year, 24-3 this year.  48 years old. 
 

11. Mark Pope - 6’ 10” coach at BYU who played for the nuggets. Great job at Utah Valley, and now at BYU was 24-8 in his first year, 20-6 this year. 48 years old.
 

12. Wes Miller - UNC Greensboro. Hasn’t stopped winning since 2016. And he’s only 38 YEARS OLD. 

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

IMO the problem with the id take Alford or I’d take “insert name” over Archie right now is that gets us nowhere long term. Moving on for the sake of moving on is a recipe for the same thing we’ve been dealing with for 20 years. I understand that now more than offer IU is “losing” fans and Archie is the cause but this needs to be a business decision not a knee jerk reaction decision. We can’t move on just to move on we have to move on because we have someone that makes us drastically better long term. Hiring an alford type or someone like that just kicks the can until 2025 when we’re saying “id take so and so over alford at this point” they’d at least be a little better


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[Trish]

Just now, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

IMO the problem with the id take Alford or I’d take “insert name” over Archie right now is that gets us nowhere long term. Moving on for the sake of moving on is a recipe for the same thing we’ve been dealing with for 20 years. I understand that now more than offer IU is “losing” fans and Archie is the cause but this needs to be a business decision not a knee jerk reaction decision. We can’t move on just to move on we have to move on because we have someone that makes us drastically better long term. Hiring an alford type or someone like that just kicks the can until 2025 when we’re saying “id take so and so over alford at this point” they’d at least be a little better


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Exactly.

We'd be making a full circle from CTC. Some fans will be happy but some of us would like for Indiana Basketball to return to where it's suppose to be. Not just middle of the pack  and making a dance. 

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, monskisprodigy said:

I saw Lander appear to be engaged in the huddles, clapping for team mates, smiling, etc. So, maybe that happened afterwards, but I doubt anything happened prior. 

Now what doesn't make sense to me is, when your other guards are terrible, and you still refuse to put your Indiana Mr. Basketball or 5 star point guard in for even a minute to see if they can provide a spark...

If you go back and watch the game, or any game really, we are a pretty good team when we push the tempo and get out and run off of rebounds/steals etc. I can think of several instances, where when we push the pace, the defense isn't able to pack in on us and we are able to get to the bucket or an open look. From what I have seen, this is where Lander excels, making decisions in the fast break and open space vs. having to get 6,000 fake screens and then make a tough decision with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. 

The fact that Archie never deviated from his stale halfcourt offense and system designed around walking the ball up the court is amazing to me. 

Actually, it you watch Archie he's consistently yelling at Rob to "GO."  Even last night, there was a point he was really animated at Rob to "GO!!!" but Rob kept walking it up.  Archie's fault for not correcting that problem.  

[kreigh8]

1 hour ago, Treesh said:

The timing is perfect for Brad Stevens to consider the job. Okay, not the exact month in March.

But the Celtics have tapped out on future potential for the foreseeable future. The Nets being great at basketball is good for Indiana Basketball. Maybe. 

Gosh I hope Scott actually attempts to talk to Brad. 

 

The Celtics are still 4th in the East even after last night's loss. Having Brown and Tatum is quite a good start and both under 25? You keep stating this about the Celtics, but I honestly don't get it. I want Stevens as much as the next guy, but to say they are stuck being mediocre seems way off base to me, but this is coming from a non-NBA fan.

[kreigh8]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Actually, it you watch Archie he's consistently yelling at Rob to "GO."  Even last night, there was a point he was really animated at Rob to "GO!!!" but Rob kept walking it up.  Archie's fault for not correcting that problem.  

I saw this too and I'm left even more lost if our lack of transition game is caused by Rob not having it in his skill set or desire, or if Archie is dictating that pace. I'd like to think Rob has the ability to go and be aggressive, but something seems instilled in his playing style to be more deliberate. Not sure if that's Archie, his HS play style, or something else, but it's been a backbreaker for the team not getting easy buckets on the break when we still can't shoot at all.

[rcbowla]

A few more Tier 3 Names: 
10. Casey Alexander - current head coach for Belmont. Did a great job at Lipscomb, and now at Belmont was26 -7 in his first year, 24-3 this year.  48 years old. 
 
11. Mark Pope - 6’ 10” coach at BYU who played for the nuggets. Great job at Utah Valley, and now at BYU was 24-8 in his first year, 20-6 this year. 48 years old.
 
12. Wes Miller - UNC Greensboro. Hasn’t stopped winning since 2016. And he’s only 38 YEARS OLD. 

Craig Smith was brought up a time or 2 and Casey Alexander has been vetted by all of us experts and I believe we decided it was too risky at this juncture. Mark Pope to me is interesting but he may be looking to stay in his particular geographical region.

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[monskisprodigy]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Actually, it you watch Archie he's consistently yelling at Rob to "GO."  Even last night, there was a point he was really animated at Rob to "GO!!!" but Rob kept walking it up.  Archie's fault for not correcting that problem.  

Right, but again, he has a quick 5 star point guard on the bench that can push the ball if Rob refuses.

After 4 years I think we can all agree that an up tempo offense is not Archies style. For a team that struggles to shoot, why wouldn't you push the ball?

[rcbowla]

Oh and most feel Miller would probably jump ship the moment UNC opened up.

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[Trish]

2 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

The Celtics are still 4th in the East even after last night's loss. Having Brown and Tatum is quite a good start and both under 25? You keep stating this about the Celtics, but I honestly don't get it. I want Stevens as much as the next guy, but to say they are stuck being mediocre seems way off base to me, but this is coming from a non-NBA fan.

Having young talent in the NBA is a great problem to have, but it doesn't always equal winning. The Celtics want world championships, not ECF appearances. 

The Celtics have $0 money to spend this summer on attracting top free agents. They have aging stars and bad contracts in Kemba Walker. 

The Celtics have been unable to attract top free agents ever since the Isiah Thomas incident. They landed Kemba Walker because they offered him a max contract at an old age. 

The Celtics don't have draft assets, no bench players, and the east is slowly getting better. The Celtics have failed to make significant trades and frankly they have two assets that they don't want to trade. 

Tatum or Brown will eventually want out. 

The Celtics have peaked. Tatum and Brown will get better but the roster mathematically really can't get better for several years. 

[triple]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

I'm pretty high on Moser.

 

I watch a lot of Loyola hoops.  Moser definitely demonstrates a key trait that our last two coaches have lacked.  The ability to consistently make adjustments during games and with regards to his system.  I'm very high on him long term but I'd ideally like to see how Loyola adjusts without Cameron Krutwig.  That kid has been such a rock for the program and pain for their opponents the last four years.  That said, Krutwig might come back next year under the covid exemption rule, and even more likely Moser will move on (an analyst recently projected a 98% chance he'll get a power conference offer).  I'd also note that while his player development is excellent and he finds the right fits for his program, his experience in recruiting/coaching high 4 and 5 star players is limited.  Not saying he couldn't succeed, it's just not something we can accurately predict today.  And at the end of the day I strongly believe that some coaches just fit much, much better in mid-major environments (Miller and Alford both being classic examples).

[kreigh8]

3 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Having young talent in the NBA is a great problem to have, but it doesn't always equal winning. The Celtics want world championships, not ECF appearances. 

The Celtics have $0 money to spend this summer on attracting top free agents. They have aging stars and bad contracts in Kemba Walker. 

The Celtics have been unable to attract top free agents ever since the Isiah Thomas incident. They landed Kemba Walker because they offered him a max contract at an old age. 

The Celtics don't have draft assets, no bench players, and the east is slowly getting better. The Celtics have failed to make significant trades and frankly they have two assets that they don't want to trade. 

Tatum or Brown will eventually want out. 

The Celtics have peaked. Tatum and Brown will get better but the roster mathematically really can't get better for several years. 

Know it’s not the thread and thanks for the response but help me out with the Isiah Thomas incident?

[Golfman25]

Just now, triple said:

I watch a lot of Loyola hoops.  Moser definitely demonstrates a key trait that our last two coaches have lacked.  The ability to consistently make adjustments during games and with regards to his system.  I'm very high on him long term but I'd ideally like to see how Loyola adjusts without Cameron Krutwig.  That kid has been such a rock for the program and pain for their opponents the last four years.  That said, Krutwig might come back next year under the covid exemption rule, and even more likely Moser will move on (an analyst recently projected a 98% chance he'll get a power conference offer).  I'd also note that while his player development is excellent and he finds the right fits for his program, his experience in recruiting/coaching high 4 and 5 star players is limited.  Not saying he couldn't succeed, it's just not something we can accurately predict today.  And at the end of the day I strongly believe that some coaches just fit much, much better in mid-major environments (Miller and Alford both being classic examples).

Cam's a beast.  My kid played with him as a youth.  Fun to watch him grow up and get into the tourney.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

15 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Having young talent in the NBA is a great problem to have, but it doesn't always equal winning. The Celtics want world championships, not ECF appearances. 

The Celtics have $0 money to spend this summer on attracting top free agents. They have aging stars and bad contracts in Kemba Walker. 

The Celtics have been unable to attract top free agents ever since the Isiah Thomas incident. They landed Kemba Walker because they offered him a max contract at an old age. 

The Celtics don't have draft assets, no bench players, and the east is slowly getting better. The Celtics have failed to make significant trades and frankly they have two assets that they don't want to trade. 

Tatum or Brown will eventually want out. 

The Celtics have peaked. Tatum and Brown will get better but the roster mathematically really can't get better for several years. 

Sure, the Celtics don't attract top free agents if you ignore the ones that they attracted. Kemba Walker had just turned 29 years old when he signed that contract. If he didn't sign there, someone else would've offered him a max contract. 29 isn't "an old age" in the NBA. Kemba is the same age as Damian Lillard. 

Also, they have "aging stars" if you ignore the fact that their two best players are 23 and 24 years old. Joey Brunk is older than Jayson Tatum... They have one player older than 30 on their roster. Unless you're calling Jeff Teague a star, I'm not sure who their "aging stars" would be. 

[Bowhunter]

I like Archie , I would just like him to coach somewhere else.


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[reconmkd]

Not sure who the person is over at HSN but he just posted a response to someone posting the BoT email with “that isn’t needed” followed by the post “it’s looking like Miller Time is over.
 

Who knows! I guess we will see.

[Trish]

17 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Know it’s not the thread and thanks for the response but help me out with the Isiah Thomas incident?

Isiah Thomas was performing really well for them, scoring big numbers and was beloved by the Celtics fans. His sister died in a car wreck and he played the same night or the day after the incident. A while later they traded Isiah Thomas away after pouring his heart out for the Celtics.

They traded him for Kyrie Irving which seems like right move.

Kyrie Irving left the Celtics after a year.  Hindsight 20/20 yeah yeah. 

11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Sure, the Celtics don't attract top free agents if you ignore the ones that they attracted. Kemba Walker had just turned 29 years old when he signed that contract. If he didn't sign there, someone else would've offered him a max contract. 29 isn't "an old age" in the NBA.

Also, they have "aging stars" if you ignore the fact that their two best players are 23 and 24 years old. Joey Brunk is older than Jayson Tatum... They have one player older than 30. Unless you're calling Jeff Teague a star, I'm not sure who their "aging stars" would be. 

No one else offered Kemba a max contract. It helps that not many teams had max space that summer.. but hell. EVEN THE HORNETS (WHO ARE THE HORNETS) didn't offer him a max. The hornets are not a good organization and they steered clear of Kemba. Kemba is a shell of him old-self. 

Aging stars, which I meant were former stars, include Jeff Teague and Tristian Thompson. Great vets and good locker room guys but they are not getting the Celtics a world championship and neither are Jayson Tatum and Brown doing it by themselves. 

The math doesn't work out. They have a trade exception that can only be used on teams looking to get rid of a bad contract. There's really no world championship hope for the Celtics anytime soon. Tatum or Brown will walk. It's the NBA. 

[GloryDays]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Not this older folk.

This one either!

[Demo]

58 minutes ago, Over 100 Games said:

Had Craig Smith been brought up before too then?

I hit him on page 9 or 10. Love the guy. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

I hit him on page 9 or 10. Love the guy. 

He has a big one tonight.  Utah St/ Colorado St should be a good one