General Coach Candidate News

[Trish]

Good morning,

As a friendly Saturday reminder for those on the ledge, let's remember, Dolson likely had a plan of a coaching search for many months. He likely did his homework prior and had an idea of who was available. 

You don't Fire Woodson to hire Brownell. Ben McCollum will also end up at Iowa. I'm expecting a slow news day today, maybe something picks up tomorrow evening. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

16 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 

He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

I can assure you there are people under Dolson sending out false flags.

[go iu bb]

12 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Or he doesn't know, but it ends up being Brownell or McCollum, and he will claim he knew!

I get your point he may know.  That's possible.  But given the media the covers IU doesn't know and Scott is a vault, my guess is it's unlikely Goodman knows, though there is a chance he does...

Unless it's his buddy Brad Stevens.... what a twist in this drama.

Spoiler: It's not him.

[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I think Dolson is spending virtually zero amount of time or energy sending out false flags, trying to fool people or send people in wrong directions. 

He's doing his job and keeping things as quiet as he can, but he's not wasting time sending out "smokescreens".

Agents send smokescreens to drive up interest in their client.

[BGleas]

Just now, IUHoosierJoe said:

I can assure you there are people under Dolson him sending out false flags.

Again just going off my experience with these things as a PR person in sports, and we never spent an ounce of time or energy on that. 

Maybe college is different than the NBA, and that's entirely possible, but it's not something we ever did or spent time on in my experience. 

[8bucks]

31 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It’s interesting that Brad has seen games in the ACC tournament his kid of course, big East on Thursday night and SEC on Friday night and yet to wear Celtics gear. Wonder where he’ll be tonight 

Curious if anyone knows what the norm is.  Has he done this much tourney scouting before?  Any proof other gm’s/pres do this?  If he went prior years did he wear the green clearly?

[BGleas]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

Agents send smokescreens to drive up interest in their client.

Absolutely! 

[IUHoosierJoe]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

Again just going off my experience with these things as a PR person in sports, and we never spent an ounce of time or energy on that. 

Maybe college is different than the NBA, and that's entirely possible, but it's not something we ever did or spent time on in my experience. 

College must be different, at least for this search.

[Trish]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Curious if anyone knows what the norm is.  Has he done this much tourney scouting before?  Any proof other gm’s/pres do this?  If he went prior years did he wear the green clearly?

It's mostly the scouts that are on the road throughout the year. Executives like Brad often just stick to the holiday tournaments in the Bahamas. 

Most of the time, scouts/executives wear normal clothing, no brand affiliation. It varies. 

[pumpfake]

18 minutes ago, DSUMMITT said:

There's a couple schools of thought on why this would happen:

1) afraid of what happened last time - too many chefs. 

2) no real advantage to making it public - looks bad when people say no and fans overreacting to every back and forth can make fanbase look manic

3) part of negotiations are salary - better off doing that in a vacuum so you don't get into a long back and forth. Or in some cases you don't want people to know who and how much your other offers are for.

4) Other party wants it that way for whatever reason

 

Note: i don't think IU is actively sending out misinformation but when no information is getting out people present speculation as fact sometimes 

I think 3 & 4 are the main ones.  Pretty much every potential candidate is employed somewhere - whether casual or serious negotiations leaking could jeopardize that.

[BGleas]

5 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

College must be different, at least for this search.

Could be, there are definitely real differences (ie. in the NBA you're not really poaching active head coaches from other teams). Honestly, makes me lose a bit of faith in the process if the athletic department is spending time on those types of things. 

There's plenty of misinformation out there on its own, without the athletic department spending time on smokescreens and misinformation. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

18 hours ago, Mopladysman said:

Cronin didn’t prep them.  Too busy hiding his pot of gold for st pattys day. 

He’s busy trying to get away from Charlie.

[Chris007]

14 minutes ago, Mopladysman said:

What happened to the back pocket yes?

I think it’s still there but I think you want someone a little more proven if you can get it 

[RaceToTheTop]

I’m not seeing where brownell’s buyout is 8 million.  From the contract someone posted it looks like $8 buyout if Clemson terminates but $3.3 million if he leaves on his own.

[Hoosier_Hatchet]

4 minutes ago, Trish said:

It's mostly the scouts that are on the road throughout the year. Executives like Brad often just stick to the holiday tournaments in the Bahamas. 

Most of the time, scouts/executives wear normal clothing, no brand affiliation. It varies. 

If, and its a big if, he was really a week or two out from taking over a major college basketball program, it sure would make sense for a guy to attend a bunch of conference tournaments to see a wide range of players that may be in the portal soon.

[go iu bb]

8 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Yup. Again, just going off my experience in PR on the NBA side. I've been a part of GM hirings, Coach firings and hirings, trading stars, drafts, etc., etc.,

I can't recall ever being part of a conversation or any action around putting out false information to get the media or fans off the trail. 

Maybe college is different, but I think all this smokescreen stuff happens far, far less than fans think. 

It's not different. Seeing things as smokescreens is just a form of denial. It's basically saying "fake news!" any time the information doesn't align with their wishes. It lets people hold out the hope for their preferred candidate or that the candidate they don't want won't be it.

There's probably plenty of inaccurate information going around, but I very much doubt that's intentional.

[Home Jersey]

I’m not saying Scott isn’t pulling off something great behind the scenes right now, but I follow a couple of schools fairly closely and haven’t heard any stories about ADs that even begin to rival half the “fan fiction” written about Scott Dolson over the past two years lol. Not calling every story about him posted here that, but there’s definitely been some of it. We can all admit that right? I say that as someone that wants him to succeed and thinks he will make a good hire (really hope he does anyway).

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

It's not different. Seeing things as smokescreens is just a form of denial. It's basically saying "fake news!" any time the information doesn't align with their wishes. It lets people hold out the hope for their preferred candidate or that the candidate they don't want won't be it.

There's probably plenty of inaccurate information going around, but I very much doubt that's intentional.

This is, IMO, by far the most likely explanation for supposed smokescreens from the IU side.

Plenty of that going on with agents per usual.

[IUHoosierJoe]

7 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Could be, there are definitely real differences. Honestly, makes me lose a bit of faith in the process if the athletic department is spending time on those types of things. 

There's plenty of misinformation out there on its own, without the athletic department spending time on smokescreens and misinformation. 

Just briefly, at a certain level of giving, each donor gets assigned a “contact person” in the AD’s office (associate AD, assistant AD, etc.).  If the donor wants info about anything, they go to their contact person.  The names that that been passed along and generally picked up by the “media” (Goodman, etc.) are names that these contacts are giving to the donors.  Unless you believe a name like Beard is actually a candidate, they are false flags.

[BGleas]

2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

It's not different. Seeing things as smokescreens is just a form of denial. It's basically saying "fake news!" any time the information doesn't align with their wishes. It lets people hold out the hope for their preferred candidate or that the candidate they don't want won't be it.

There's probably plenty of inaccurate information going around, but I very much doubt that's intentional.

Exactly! Beyond it mostly being a waste of time and energy, that's why teams don't need to send out false info or create smokescreens, the system creates it on their own. 

The vast majority information out there by fans and media is almost always comoletely wrong anyways.