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[Hornsby 3,870]

I just disagree.  Year 3 is usually when good coaches get you rolling.  They almost never take a step back.  Look at the current ISU coach.  Heck Archie had is in the dance in year 3 had it not been cancelled.
I know this won't be popular but Trayce coming back for 2 more years likely did more damage than good for the program.  Woody would've been on the hot seat last year otherwise and certainly fired after this season.  

Unless you have a crean situation where you start with zero scholarship players you should be taking big steps forward by year three. Some probably don't want to hear that but you really need momentum going into the 4th year. Crean was actually lining up alot of recruits by year four. We currently have one.

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[Hoosierfan2017 24,881]

3 hours ago, 8bucks said:

For those that think we have to make a change now don’t you think candidates would look at this quick move poorly?  Woody makes the tourney 2 years in a row and the year after having 2 kids leave for the nba we fire him?  Why would they come?  

Will those candidates be more likely to come after another bad season next year? It’s not a marriage. No need to try to stick it out for the kids when it’s obviously not working. 

[TheWatShot 15,488]

3 hours ago, 8bucks said:

For those that think we have to make a change now don’t you think candidates would look at this quick move poorly?  Woody makes the tourney 2 years in a row and the year after having 2 kids leave for the nba we fire him?  Why would they come?  

Successful coaches don't see themselves being anything but successful. They're not worried about how long (or short) of a leash they get. It's why I've always hated that we give coaches massive contracts with enormous buyouts to protect them from their own potential failure. 

 

The bigger problem we face today is that without our dusty banners, we're basically just Illinois or Iowa, and not really a step up the ladder for a lot of the coaches the fanbase covets.  

[Hoosierfan2017 24,881]

11 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Successful coaches don't see themselves being anything but successful. They're not worried about how long (or short) of a leash they get. It's why I've always hated that we give coaches massive contracts with enormous buyouts to protect them from their own potential failure. 

 

The bigger problem we face today is that without our dusty banners, we're basically just Illinois or Iowa, and not really a step up the ladder for a lot of the coaches the fanbase covets.  

Impatient for a winner, Kentucky fired Billy Gillispie as coach Friday after just two years, too many losses and too little appreciation for all the things that come with running college basketball’s all-time winningest program. Saying the Wildcats deserve a leader who understands “this is not just another coaching job,” athletic director Mitch Barnhart and president Lee Todd made the unusual decision to dismiss Gillispie less than two years after he was hired to replace Tubby Smith.
 

What would the last 15 years have looked like for UK if they obeyed the IU commandments? Probably not seven elite 8s, four final 4s and a national championship. 

But hey, winning is overrated. 

[coonhounds 10,555]

Impatient for a winner, Kentucky fired Billy Gillispie as coach Friday after just two years, too many losses and too little appreciation for all the things that come with running college basketball’s all-time winningest program. Saying the Wildcats deserve a leader who understands “this is not just another coaching job,” athletic director Mitch Barnhart and president Lee Todd made the unusual decision to dismiss Gillispie less than two years after he was hired to replace Tubby Smith.
 
What would the last 15 years have looked like for UK if they obeyed the IU commandments? Probably not seven elite 8s, four final 4s and a national championship. 
But hey, winning is overrated. 

Best post ever! Look at the results and trajectory if it isn't elite move on! Let's get back to winning!

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4 hours ago, 8bucks said:

For those that think we have to make a change now don’t you think candidates would look at this quick move poorly?  Woody makes the tourney 2 years in a row and the year after having 2 kids leave for the nba we fire him?  Why would they come?  

No. He road the coattails of of the previous coach and even with one of the top 5 players in the country that he inherited he got bounced in the first round of the tournament. Now that he has a team of his own guys he may not make the NIT

[NashvilleHoosier 3,906]

5 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

The issue is the admin and program don’t know how to communicate with its fans… or communicate to potential. Coaches.

Our coaching staff says “ we’ve got to get over the hump” which does more harm than good when your target audience is very knowledgeable and is on twitter arguing drop coverage vs blitz on a PNR. 
 

Just for once I want someone on this coaching staff and athletic department to speak the truth. Just come out and say, Woodson has no strategic vision for the program so we’re moving on and hiring someone who does.

Regardless of the outcome or decision made, I only hope that not a single ounce of the most minuscule thread of consideration is given to what fans on twitter are saying. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,695]

We'd be in a much better spot with Bruce Pearl as our coach next season vs Woody no matter how we got there.  Fact.

No way in heck do I want Pearl

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15 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

We'd be in a much better spot with Bruce Pearl as our coach next season vs Woody no matter how we got there.  Fact.  Opinion. 

For accuracy's sake, fixed it for you. 

[8bucks 7,552]

12 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Lol that argument again.

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Have we had an argument before about firing a coach after 3 years?  I may have missed those.  

[Chris007 62,524]

17 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I just disagree.  Year 3 is usually when good coaches get you rolling.  They almost never take a step back.  Look at the current ISU coach.  Heck Archie had is in the dance in year 3 had it not been cancelled.

I know this won't be popular but Trayce coming back for 2 more years likely did more damage than good for the program.  Woody would've been on the hot seat last year otherwise and certainly fired after this season.  

How many injuries has ISU dealt with this season? 

[Chris007 62,524]

17 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Hasn't hurt other programs.  OSU fired Matta for one bad season with a HOF caliber record.  Howland went to 3 FFs in 4 years.  Got fired.  Alford went to 3 S16s in 4 years.  Fired.  We could go on and on.

IUs biggest mistake besides hiring incompetent coaches is that we hold onto them way too long.  Woody is about 66.  Regardless of what happens he's gone in the next few years.

So all of those coaches got 4 years?

[str8baller 7,480]

24 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

So all of those coaches got 4 years?

Gillispie didn’t. Doherty didn’t. Only guys that won immediately got 4 years. Nobody allows 4 years of crap. 
 

none of those guys got more than a couple years once things started to go south. Tubby had a title under his belt. Had a 30 win season and a couple 1 and 2 seeds seasons and then was thrown out immediately after he “fell” to two seasons where he was only an 8 seed. 

[Uspshoosier 54,421]

8 hours ago, str8baller said:

Gillispie didn’t. Doherty didn’t. Only guys that won immediately got 4 years. Nobody allows 4 years of crap. 
 

none of those guys got more than a couple years once things started to go south. Tubby had a title under his belt. Had a 30 win season and a couple 1 and 2 seeds seasons and then was thrown out immediately after he “fell” to two seasons where he was only an 8 seed. 

Each case is different and there are more reasons than wins and losses as to why coaches get fired.   Howland getting fired from ucla had more to do with the fact he ticked off AAU and high school coaches in  California.  They thought his offense stunk and him pulling a scholly from a local kid really pissed them off.    He was forced to recruit outside the state or lower level in state kids.    

[JF87 2,149]

10 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Gillispie didn’t. Doherty didn’t. Only guys that won immediately got 4 years. Nobody allows 4 years of crap. 
 

none of those guys got more than a couple years once things started to go south. Tubby had a title under his belt. Had a 30 win season and a couple 1 and 2 seeds seasons and then was thrown out immediately after he “fell” to two seasons where he was only an 8 seed. 

Woodson is going to get a minimum of 4 years.  Heck, the administration just gave him a raise.  I personally don't think he's the right guy, but I have to acknowledge a beloved former player is going to be given time.  Woodson's situation is different than a former player like Kenny Payne at Louisville because Woodson has displayed some success (although I believe that we have underperformed). Payne's tenure has been a complete disaster. 

I hope that we've seen Woodson willing to adapt in the last couple of games.  He seems to have shortened the bench and stopped the hockey line shifts.  The last few games, there seems to be more of an emphasis on defending 3-point shooters.  Last game we even shot 22 threes.  If these are anomalies or strategic changes remains to be seen?  While we ride out Woodson's time, we are going to have to hope he continues to improve as a college coach. 

[8bucks 7,552]

41 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Gillispie didn’t. Doherty didn’t. Only guys that won immediately got 4 years. Nobody allows 4 years of crap. 
 

none of those guys got more than a couple years once things started to go south. Tubby had a title under his belt. Had a 30 win season and a couple 1 and 2 seeds seasons and then was thrown out immediately after he “fell” to two seasons where he was only an 8 seed. 

Gillespie also, reportedly, had some DUI issues to go along with a bad season in 2008.  But UK had an easy out as Billy never signed a contract for some reason.  He did make one NCAA tournament, then the NIT the next year and he may not have been having much recruiting success (not sure on that though).  But he made it too easy to get rid of him.  Woody is different since he is a former player and had success his first two years (not enough certainly, but a good start).  

Still a lot of season left to determine how things are here.  If we play poorly down the stretch and recruiting looks dismal then things could happen.  At this point of year 3, there is enough to raise some concerns, but not enough to warrant his firing.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,881]

9 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Gillespie also, reportedly, had some DUI issues to go along with a bad season in 2008.  But UK had an easy out as Billy never signed a contract for some reason.  He did make one NCAA tournament, then the NIT the next year and he may not have been having much recruiting success (not sure on that though).  But he made it too easy to get rid of him.  Woody is different since he is a former player and had success his first two years (not enough certainly, but a good start).  

Still a lot of season left to determine how things are here.  If we play poorly down the stretch and recruiting looks dismal then things could happen.  At this point of year 3, there is enough to raise some concerns, but not enough to warrant his firing.

The fact that getting blown out in the round of 64 and then in the round of 32 with one of the best players in college basketball is considered success for IU basketball shows how down bad the program is. Archie being so god awful makes anything above incompetence look good.  If IU accepts that it’s a middle of the pack program then sure, no reason to fire Woodson. If IU wants to be a top-tier program, though? Well, that’s another story. 

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36 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Each case is different and there are more reasons than wins and losses as to why coaches get fired.   Howland getting fired from ucla had more to do with the fact he ticked off AAU and high school coaches in the California.  They thought his offense stunk and him pulling a scholly from a local kid really pissed them off.    He was forced to recruit outside the state or lower level in state kids.    

IIRC with Howland, there was also some internal drama.

[8bucks 7,552]

36 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The fact that getting blown out in the round of 64 and then in the round of 32 with one of the best players in college basketball is considered success for IU basketball shows how down bad the program is. Archie being so god awful makes anything above incompetence look good.  If IU accepts that it’s a middle of the pack program then sure, no reason to fire Woodson. If IU wants to be a top-tier program, though? Well, that’s another story. 

Well, now i do not think anyone is planning a parade yet.  From where we were under Archie, yes it was a success and that best player got significantly better after Woody came.  I certainly have doubts on whether he is the guy but time has to play out some more.

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Ball is in Woody's court. Winning will solve all and shut all most mouths.