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[Uspshoosier 50,332]

3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Uh… Woodson… 

Yeah.  Having a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience coach your program was never going to work regardless of the talent someone surrounded him with.  Every college basketball coached being mentioned for this job in this thread is leaps and bounds going to put IU in a better position then they have been in the last 4 years 

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3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah.  Having a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience coach your program was never going to work regardless of the talent someone surrounded him with.  Every college basketball coached being mentioned for this job in this thread is leaps and bounds going to put IU in a better position then they have been in the last 4 years 

Agree but for me that’s setting the bar too low. IU needs to land a real winner this time, not the guys who’ve done ok at other schools 

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Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah.  Having a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience coach your program was never going to work regardless of the talent someone surrounded him with.  Every college basketball coached being mentioned for this job in this thread is leaps and bounds going to put IU in a better position then they have been in the last 4 years 

Ironically, people are not appreciating how terrible Woody is at running a college basketball program when they turn their noses up at guys like Cronin(!) or Collins or even Brownell (who I would not be happy about if he were the hire but think he’d minimally be much better than Woody.) That’s not the goal but Rome wasn’t built in a day and we are hardly a blue blood anymore. Yes we have great NIL but looking at UK and UL last cycle we should not expect to big dawg some other P5 school that already has it rolling. Still tons of decent - great coaches IU can hire. Like it or not that’s progress from the last 8 years. 

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14 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

This isn’t based off much other than vibes from following IHSA basketball (and mostly the lower two classes at that) but it seems like the number of kids that can get into NW and actually play B1G basketball is extremely low in Illinois. The Martinelli/Ciarvali (I absolutely butchered that) kids are rare. I know that NW doesn’t move off their academic standards much either. 

Appreciate that.

If I were vetting Collins what I’d really want to know is why K’s number 2 who would have been in play for a bunch of jobs with higher ceilings opted for that one and then never left? Did  he want to go home that badly or did he want a power conference job where the expectations weren’t nuts? Strikes me as an important piece.

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32 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

There’s an obvious solution ;-)

Let. It.  Go. 

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29 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Yep like you said unless it’s Stevens there will be pockets of people upset about the hire. I mean some people don’t even like Scott Drew and that guy won a title at Baylor. Otz? He had two bad seasons, so he’s off the list. If we get four or five names down the list, or someone out of left field, the rage and fury will be palpable lol 

I think you are underestimating the fanbases ability to come together over a new coach that isn’t named Woodson.

Most fans talked themselves into Woody after 4 years of Archie.

We’ll easily talk ourselves into Cronin or Collins or even (gulp) Brownell after 4 years of Woody.

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1 minute ago, moyemayhem said:

I think you are underestimating the fanbases ability to come together over a new coach that isn’t named Woodson.

Most fans talked themselves into Woody after 4 years of Archie.

We’ll easily talk ourselves into Cronin or Collins or even (gulp) Brownell after 4 years of Woody.

For sure, probably should’ve clarified the rage (on this board) will be intense at first. The broader fanbase will totally accept the coach right away I’m sure. Those of us who don’t like the hire right away will probably either talk themselves into it or dig their heels in. That’ll be a very minuscule percentage of the fans though IMO. 

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13 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Agree but for me that’s setting the bar too low. IU needs to land a real winner this time, not the guys who’ve done ok at other schools 

Curious your views on McCollum in general but compared to a Collins / Brownell type of hire

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I don’t want to hire a coach with meh results in hopes that he’ll do better with more resources. I want a coach who has done well in his current job. I don’t throw Collins in there as much because he’s at a P5 school with Ivy League admission standards, but Brownell is the definition of mid. 5 tournaments in 15 seasons, which is even fewer than IU during that period. No thank you. 

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30 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah.  Having a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience coach your program was never going to work regardless of the talent someone surrounded him with.  Every college basketball coached being mentioned for this job in this thread is leaps and bounds going to put IU in a better position then they have been in the last 4 years 

I don't want to derail this thread too far, but I am genuinely curious about Woodson. But what was the issue with Woodson? Is he truly that dense? Is he truly that incompetent? Is he truly that arrogant? Is he really that delusional? I think each of us wants to think that we have the answers, and we can get the job done... but clearly there was something not clicking with him. I've never met the man, but from some who have, he's really seems to not be a bad guy. Maybe he really does love Indiana University, but why did he go so far off the rails with this job? Dolson set him up with Matta and Fife, but he didn't want that, and chose to fail on his own... I know I've been pretty tough on him and his seemingly abrasive and arrogant personality... but man, he had a pretty sweet gig if he could have just learned through the experience. 

Back on subject, getting a coach who can produce better results at IU should not be a hard ask... but we definitely are in need of more than "better than Mike Woodson".

Brad, Scott or TJ, come on down!!!

 

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14 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Agree but for me that’s setting the bar too low. IU needs to land a real winner this time, not the guys who’ve done ok at other schools 

All depends on how you view IU.  Some still think this program is a coach away from being back on top after 25 plus years of mediocrity while others might feel IU needs to grind their way back to the top of the sport and that might result in hiring a coach that most fans think the program too good for that coach even though the results from the program say otherwise.  

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8 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

For sure, probably should’ve clarified the rage (on this board) will be intense at first. The broader fanbase will totally accept the coach right away I’m sure. Those of us who don’t like the hire right away will probably either talk themselves into it or dig their heels in. That’ll be a very minuscule percentage of the fans though IMO. 

And in most of the cases of the "dug their heels in" crowd, winning games will win them over...

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2 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

And Mike Davis knocked off the #1 team in the tournament.

I wasn't arguing for Brownell, just was saying that saying that Clemson had only one good year wasn't true.  I think as IU fans we would be okay with an elite eight appearance followed by a 23-5 start the next year.

And again, I don't want Brownell.  Just saying the last two years have been good.

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2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

OK I know who it is, but I'm not going to tell. My source: a little birdie. 

Too bad so sad.

birdie....bird....Larry Bird.  He was from Indiana then became a Celtic who ended up coaching in Indiana.

I like where this is going.

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1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I don't want to derail this thread too far, but I am genuinely curious about Woodson. But what was the issue with Woodson?

A coach in his 60s when he took his first college coaching job of his career. I think it’s as simple as that.   All he knew as a coach was the NBA game.  When you have spent 30 + years coaching in a entirely different sport and think you can come in the college game and because it’s below the NBA you think you can just step in and pick it up right away is the wrong approach.    Not just Woody almost every nba guy that has come into the college game has failed.    I don’t think they know just how much of a grind being a college basketball coach really is.  Listen to any college basketball lifer talk and they say it takes part of your life away in the business.  You have limited life outside of being the coach.  It never stops.  Ego of being from the NBA and thinking the college game is inferior probably has something to do with it as well.  You want to be successful in college you have to put the work in and grind.  Bottom line Woody didn’t want to grind and now we are looking for a grinder to lead this program back.    Hopefully Otzelberger doesn’t sign an extension and wants to grind in Bloomington 

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3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

A coach in his 60s when he took his first college coaching job of his career. I think it’s as simple as that.   All he knew as a coach was the NBA game.  When you have spent 30 + years coaching in a entirely different sport and think you can come in the college game and because it’s below the NBA you think you can just step in and pick it up right away is the wrong approach.    Not just Woody almost every nba guy that has come into the college game has failed.    I don’t think they know just how much of a grind being a college basketball coach really is.  Listen to any college basketball lifer talk and they say it takes part of your life away in the business.  You have limited life outside of being the coach.  It never stops.  Ego of being from the NBA and thinking the college game is inferior probably has something to do with it as well.  You want to be successful in college you have to put the work in and grind.  Bottom line Woody didn’t want to grind and now we are looking for a grinder to lead this program back.    Hopefully Otzelberger doesn’t sign an extension and wants to grind in Bloomington 

100%. For all the BS about IUBB HC being Woody’s “dream job” it was nothing of the sort. It’s his dream TITLE, but that he’s been miserable in the college game is clear as day.

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11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

A coach in his 60s when he took his first college coaching job of his career. I think it’s as simple as that.   All he knew as a coach was the NBA game.  When you have spent 30 + years coaching in a entirely different sport and think you can come in the college game and because it’s below the NBA you think you can just step in and pick it up right away is the wrong approach.    Not just Woody almost every nba guy that has come into the college game has failed.    I don’t think they know just how much of a grind being a college basketball coach really is.  Listen to any college basketball lifer talk and they say it takes part of your life away in the business.  You have limited life outside of being the coach.  It never stops.  Ego of being from the NBA and thinking the college game is inferior probably has something to do with it as well.  You want to be successful in college you have to put the work in and grind.  Bottom line Woody didn’t want to grind and now we are looking for a grinder to lead this program back.    Hopefully Otzelberger doesn’t sign an extension and wants to grind in Bloomington 

I'd say it's been more the other way around. Former NBA players who think they can coach CBB, maybe. But how many former NBA head coaches go to college? Normally it's college guys who think they can coach the NBA: 

Rick Pitino, P.J. Carlesimo, John Calipari, John Beilein, Lon Kruger, Fred Hoiberg, Billy Donovan to name a few who were very successful college coaches and not so much in the NBA. 

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Yeah I’m just ready for March lol. IUBB games that will matter and when our season ends we’ll start getting into the nitty gritty of it all; new coach and portal, the boards will be on fire 

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6-year old article FWIW

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2019/05/22/what-history-tells-juwan-howard-ex-nba-players-jump-college-coaching-mixed-results/3766698002/

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1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

There’s an obvious solution ;-)

Chris Beard showing up to pick up your daughter(unpictured: the 12 pack of Natty Light in his lifted F150)