General Coach Candidate News

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1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

This isn’t based off much other than vibes from following IHSA basketball (and mostly the lower two classes at that) but it seems like the number of kids that can get into NW and actually play B1G basketball is extremely low in Illinois. The Martinelli/Ciarvali (I absolutely butchered that) kids are rare. I know that NW doesn’t move off their academic standards much either. 

Then there is the group of stars like myself who could not get into Nortwestern and could not play D1 basketball. 

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2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Pat Kelsey at college of Charleston and Mark Pope of Utah valley and BYU were better option?   I’m guessing IU fans will takes their chances like those 2 schools did and hire down a level instead of hiring a coach that hasn’t coached in 4 years 

Pope was UK’s version of  dusty may, except with a longer (and better overall at that time) track record at a bigger program than dusty. Pope had three top 20 Pom teams in 5 seasons at BYU. So yeah, that was kind of an easy decision after the home run swings said no, and an easy decision for him too  

 

Kelsey had just made the tournament in 3 out of 4 seasons from lowly Winthrop and Charleston - that’s extremely tough to do, and I’d say if he was still at Charleston this year, he would absolutely be among the top targets for IU  

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, TheDMV said:

Just a question for you all:

Is the significant negativity for Mark T mostly about his personality or results in the court, or some of both? If it’s the latter, it’s worth pointing out in his last 7 seasons at Maryland, his very worst team was the 2017-2018 squad, a team that went 19-13, finished 39 in KenPom, and probably should’ve been in the tournament. That was the *worst* team. In his four years at Texas A&M, he was dancing every season. 
 

So if you consider that and then add in that IU offers better NIL and other resources, is it really that crazy for  Dolson to think he’d be successful at IU?

 

again, just worth keeping an open mind. It’s a lot harder to hire away coaches who are having success than fans think. 

It doesn’t matter. It’s not going to happen. Why are you pushing him so hard? 

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1 minute ago, TheDMV said:

Pope was UK’s version of  dusty may, except

UK fans wanted nothing to do with him 

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1 minute ago, DougJr74 said:

It doesn’t matter. It’s not going to happen. Why are you pushing him so hard? 

simply because 1) I know there have been discussions and 2) I’m genuinely curious/ confused by the reaction to sharing that news. 

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Just now, Uspshoosier said:

UK fans wanted nothing to do with him 

But the admin did! And the fans were clearly wrong about him…

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1 minute ago, TheDMV said:

simply because 1) I know there have been discussions and 2) I’m genuinely curious/ confused by the reaction to sharing that news. 

Turgeon is not under consideration don’t be crazy.  He wouldn’t crack the top 25 of realistic candidates.

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9 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

If they ever took some of the money they spend on facilities and put that towards NIL I would think they could do much better.  I’ve always found this sort of confusing.

$110M on the Welsh-Ryan renovation, $100M+ on the FB portion of the indoor athletics facility, and $850M on the new football stadium… yet FB NIL is bottom of the conference and bball NIL isn’t great either.  It seems like they could put a little more towards NIL?  I don’t know, it’s just interesting.

Right…priorities are a little odd there. Maybe they’ll catch up eventually. I kind of doubt they have a wide range of big money athletics donors, but the ones they do have are beyond wealthy. 

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4 minutes ago, TheDMV said:

Pope had three top 20 Pom teams in 5 seasons at BYU

2 of those were in the WCC right?

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1 minute ago, TheDMV said:

simply because 1) I know there have been discussions and 2) I’m genuinely curious/ confused by the reaction to sharing that news. 

Why has he taken 3 seasons off, out of curiosity? Considering it’s hard to pull coaches from places where they are having success, surely he’s gotten some calls in the past several offseasons. Why is he ready to get back into it now, on a much larger stage? 

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2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

2 of those were in the WCC right?

How’s that relevant to a Pom rating? It’s all opponent adjusted data. 

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33 minutes ago, TheDMV said:

Just a question for you all:

Is the significant negativity for Mark T mostly about his personality or results in the court, or some of both? If it’s the latter, it’s worth pointing out in his last 7 seasons at Maryland, his very worst team was the 2017-2018 squad, a team that went 19-13, finished 39 in KenPom, and probably should’ve been in the tournament. That was the *worst* team. In his four years at Texas A&M, he was dancing every season. 
 

So if you consider that and then add in that IU offers better NIL and other resources, is it really that crazy for  Dolson to think he’d be successful at IU?

 

again, just worth keeping an open mind. It’s a lot harder to hire away coaches who are having success than fans think. 

It won't be Turgeon.

 

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11 minutes ago, TheDMV said:

I’m genuinely curious/ confused by the reaction to sharing that news.

Nothing to be confused about. People don’t want him.  at least not on this free message board.   Might have better luck on a different free message board 

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4 minutes ago, TheDMV said:

How’s that relevant to a Pom rating? It’s all opponent adjusted data. 

Quality of opponent absolutely matters in the rating.   Beating up LMU, Pacific, etc doesn’t really matter to me to bolster up their POM.  It’s how you do against the teams with actual pulses and since BYU joined the conference even with him coaching they never sniffed winning the conference title or conference tourney title.  Still got owned by St Mary’s and Zags.   They were supposed to challenge those to when they came over from their other conference 

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MJ seeing that we might be considering Mark Turgeon ... 

[Bowhunter 2,904]

Looks like Oltz is a no now so my new list has changed. 
 

May - X

Oltz -X

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Pitino - let’s win Baby!

 

 

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I would almost guarantee we didn’t retire Woodson to go after Mark Turgeon.  If he turns out to be the guy then we missed on numerous other candidates 

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6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Quality of opponent absolutely matters in the rating.   Beating up LMU, Pacific, etc doesn’t really matter to me to bolster up their POM.  It’s how you do against the teams with actual pulses and since BYU joined the conference even with him coaching they never sniffed winning the conference title or conference tourney title.  Still got owned by St Mary’s and Zags.   They were supposed to challenge those to when they came over from their other conference 

Wait you really don’t know how Pom works do you 

 

I digress. The point is that Pope made a lot of sense for UK, and so they didn’t have to go beyond him. 

Edited 5 hours ago by TheDMV

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31 minutes ago, TheDMV said:

UK and UL had better options who happened to be available and looking last cycle. There’s no question that if this search happened last year, IU would’ve hired Dusty in two seconds and it never gets to a discussion with the next level down in candidates.  

We don't even truly know all the legit candidates for IU yet...but I can assure you there will be better options than Turgeon...