General Coach Candidate News

[JaybobHoosier 12,430]

53 minutes ago, Josh said:

I love this!

But I hate you!

Lol no but really it was clear he was in over his head even at Daytin.  Chaotic system, awkward as hell, just had a team get hot at the right time one year.  

To be fair, I wanted Gregg Marshall instead and we probably would have had to fire him too by now.  I cant always pick winners but I know duds.  So also no to Pitino The Lesser and Brad Brownell.  Please no!  I'll start the "Fire Them" threads now if I need to

Absolutely no to Pitino Jr and Brownell. Would make no sense to hire those 2, none at all other than IU doesn’t want a nationally competitive program. Give me Cronin 100x’s over than those 2.

[BA47591 472]

Seems pretty tight-lipped. Some of these names being thrown around mean we missed a few times.

[12345Brad 382]

4 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Seems pretty tight-lipped. Some of these names being thrown around mean we missed a few times.

Or they are waiting to announce at the end of the season?

[JPCIVOP 186]

45 minutes ago, Demo said:

I think you really need to chew that sentence down to the bone for a second, And yeah, I cut the rest of the post out because I thought the above deserved special attention, but a couple of other points: What Drew did there is 1 of the greatest reclamation jobs in the history of D1 college sports. That thing was stone dead. And it’s not like it was pre-Sampson IU before Dennehy. It was a $hit job with no resources and always had been. There was literally nothing to build on. And that guy put it on the national map and then some. And the Crean comp, stop it. Nobody alive, including Tom Crean, thinks they’re on a similar level. Drew would be a top 10-15 guy in the country by consensus. Not sure he’d be my guy because there’s some temperament stuff I’d need to get comfortable with, but the idea that maybe he’s not really that good, c’mon.

I appreciate the point, and it's well-taken. It's a Title. It's even a Title that came with none of the games ever being in doubt; incredibly impressive. Drew gets his flowers, period. It was a dead program, and Drew has completely remade it. I think it likely enough that he would perform at the level he did from 2020-2022 if he came here. Just saying that his defensive coaching has not always been a given. That Title is why he's a top-10-15 guy.

There are some folks who use Crean comparisons as a weapon; I don't. He didn't get the expected job done, and his teams were too inconsistent. But if someone sees the Crean comparison as an insult to Drew, they might be uncomfortable with how their resumes stack up over an identical period of time. Drew's teams rebounded, where Crean's teams shot the crap out of the ball, but these teams are similar enough. 

[Dave from Dayton 3,857]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

I love this!

But I hate you!

Lol no but really it was clear he was in over his head even at Daytin.  Chaotic system, awkward as hell, just had a team get hot at the right time one year.  

To be fair, I wanted Gregg Marshall instead and we probably would have had to fire him too by now.  I cant always pick winners but I know duds.  So also no to Pitino The Lesser and Brad Brownell.  Please no!  I'll start the "Fire Them" threads now if I need to

Well, I am glad that Archie Miller is not coaching at IU.  I was a big fan of his in Dayton.  Was surprised when he was offered the IU job.  Archie was not on my short list.  I wondered if he would make it at IU.  But it was tainted from the start.

And I appreciate Josh's posts and opinions.

But the idea that Archie Miller was 'over his head even at Daytin (sic)' is in error.  It was not a chaotic system at Dayton. His teams played like teams.  They defended and went after the loose balls.  They got lots of assists.  And he did not have just one team get hot at the right time of the year.

Not surprised, in a way, that Josh holds this opinion.  But Josh is right that Archie Miller never should have been given the offer.  Hindsight does support the idea that Miller should not have accepted the job.

It has been posted that Josh did not like the hire.  Seems, that may have blocked his objectivity as to what Archie accomplished at Dayton.  

Here is his history in Dayton.  Brian Gregory, before him, was failing.  Left the cupboard bare.  And one year, Archie had only 6 scholarship players because of injuries, and getting rid of some players.  Miller's accomplishments at Dayton are second only to Don Donoher's 8 NCAAT appearances in 25 years.  Archie had 4 in six years.

Dayton Flyers (Atlantic 10 Conference) (2011–2017)
2011–12	Dayton	20–13	9–7	5th	NIT First Round
2012–13	Dayton	17–14	7–9	11th
2013–14	Dayton	26–11	10–6	T–5th	NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2014–15	Dayton	27–9	13–5	T–2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16	Dayton	25–8	14–4	T–1st	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2016–17	Dayton	24–8	15–3	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 64
Dayton:		139–63 (.688)	68–34 (.667)

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26 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

I haven’t heard enough Billy Donovan talk this cycle.  The Bulls are going nowhere fast.  He might get fired.  He might just leave, since I can't imagine it’s fun working for Reinsdorf. Old Billy D seems just as realistic as Jay Wright or Tony Bennett.

He did have an above average level of success during his first year in the league...nine years ago!  I'm not saying he should be ruled out, but I do wonder what eight straight seasons of coaching increasingly bad teams has done to his psyche.  

[Hornsby 3,106]

Absolutely no to Pitino Jr and Brownell. Would make no sense to hire those 2, none at all other than IU doesn’t want a nationally competitive program. Give me Cronin 100x’s over than those 2.

Hiring bronwell just because he finally had a good year after 20 average years would be such a dumb move. But our history shows we do make dumb moves.

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[RaceToTheTop 28,352]

24 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Seems pretty tight-lipped. Some of these names being thrown around mean we missed a few times.

If it's pretty tight-lipped, the names being thrown around aren't by people that are in a position of knowledge.

[RaceToTheTop 28,352]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

Hiring bronwell just because he finally had a good year after 20 average years would be such a dumb move. But our history shows we do make dumb moves.

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I certainly don't want Brownell, but to be fair they did go to the elite eight last year and knocked off both a 2 and 3 seed.

[Kentuckysucks 3,314]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

I certainly don't want Brownell, but to be fair they did go to the elite eight last year and knocked off both a 2 and 3 seed.

And Mike Davis knocked off the #1 team in the tournament.

[JPCIVOP 186]

9 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Well, I am glad that Archie Miller is not coaching at IU.  I was a big fan of his in Dayton.  Was surprised when he was offered the IU job.  Archie was not on my short list.  I wondered if he would make it at IU.  But it was tainted from the start.

And I appreciate Josh's posts and opinions.

But the idea that Archie Miller was 'over his head even at Daytin (sic)' is in error.  It was not a chaotic system at Dayton. His teams played like teams.  They defended and went after the loose balls.  They got lots of assists.  And he did not have just one team get hot at the right time of the year.

Not surprised, in a way, that Josh holds this opinion.  But Josh is right that Archie Miller never should have been given the offer.  Hindsight does support the idea that Miller should not have accepted the job.

It has been posted that Josh did not like the hire.  Seems, that has overwhelmed his objectivity as to what Archie accomplished at Dayton.  

Here is his history in Dayton.  Brian Gregory, before him, was failing.  Left the cupboard bare.  And one year, Archie had only 6 scholarship players because of injuries, and getting rid of some players.  Miller's accomplishments at Dayton are second only to Don Donoher's 8 NCAAT appearances in 25 years.  Archie had 4 in six years.

Dayton Flyers (Atlantic 10 Conference) (2011–2017)
2011–12	Dayton	20–13	9–7	5th	NIT First Round
2012–13	Dayton	17–14	7–9	11th
2013–14	Dayton	26–11	10–6	T–5th	NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2014–15	Dayton	27–9	13–5	T–2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16	Dayton	25–8	14–4	T–1st	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2016–17	Dayton	24–8	15–3	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 64
Dayton:		139–63 (.688)	68–34 (.667)

I've given a lot of thought to Archie recently. Think his problem was that his teams were superior compared to A10 competition, but their advanced efficiency numbers were never very good. The leap from the A10 to the B1G just proved to be too much for him. Hope he can right the ship at URI.

[Stuhoo 85,382]

7 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Hiring bronwell just because he finally had a good year after 20 average years would be such a dumb move. But our history shows we do make dumb moves.

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Wait, which really good year am I supposed to focus on? This year, last year, or 2017?

Because if he only had one good year, I have to know which one it is so that I can assess it appropriately.

[HoosierHoopster 7,626]

OK I know who it is, but I'm not going to tell. My source: a little birdie. 

Too bad so sad.

[Silat Player 1,017]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Wait, which really good year am I supposed to focus on? This year, last year, or 2017?

Because if he only had one good year, I have to know which one it is so that I can assess it appropriately.

You're not supposed on to focus on any of those. You're just supposed to focus on the fact that he played with Calbert in high school. 

[rcbowla 7,557]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

I think you really need to chew that sentence down to the bone for a second, And yeah, I cut the rest of the post out because I thought the above deserved special attention, but a couple of other points: What Drew did there is 1 of the greatest reclamation jobs in the history of D1 college sports. That thing was stone dead. And it’s not like it was pre-Sampson IU before Dennehy. It was a $hit job with no resources and always had been. There was literally nothing to build on. And that guy put it on the national map and then some. And the Crean comp, stop it. Nobody alive, including Tom Crean, thinks they’re on a similar level. Drew would be a top 10-15 guy in the country by consensus. Not sure he’d be my guy because there’s some temperament stuff I’d need to get comfortable with, but the idea that maybe he’s not really that good, c’mon.

What are your temperament concerns? I think I know what you're alluding to but I am curious to hear it from you.

[go iu bb 7,601]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Wait, which really good year am I supposed to focus on? This year, last year, or 2017?

Because if he only had one good year, I have to know which one it is so that I can assess it appropriately.

Yep, he has multiple good years. Still, 3 out 15 is pretty underwhelming.

TBH, I think even 3 is a stretch. He had a good run in the tournament but the regular season wasn't spectacular. A good one for him but was still just 11-9 in the ACC for 5th place. The only year he had single digit losses was the COVID year when they played only 24 games and lost 8 of them. This current season is by far the best regular season he's ever had. 

Such a hard pass from me. He would be an incredibly disappointing hire. I'd view it as IU throwing in the towel on basketball and saying just being okay is okay.

[Stuhoo 85,382]

9 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Yep, he has multiple good years. Still, 3 out 15 is pretty underwhelming.

TBH, I think even 3 is a stretch. He had a good run in the tournament but the regular season wasn't spectacular. A good one for him but was still just 11-9 in the ACC for 5th place. The only year he had single digit losses was the COVID year when they played only 24 games and lost 8 of them. This current season is by far the best regular season he's ever had. 

Such a hard pass from me. He would be an incredibly disappointing hire. I'd view it as IU throwing in the towel on basketball and saying just being okay is okay.

I am certainly not advocating that Brownell should be one of our first few choices. Pretty sure we won’t get that far.

However, while he is absolutely one of those guys that would be met with open revolt by the fan base, he might win a **** ton of games. Kind of like Chris Collins, who I prefer to Brownell.

Guys like that would put their very heart and soul into the job, are fully versed power five coaches with solid on court schemes, and are much less likely to flame out than lotto ticket guys like Schertz or McCollum who have never schemed against and recruited against guys like Izzo, Painter, and Underwood.
 

[go iu bb 7,601]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I am certainly not advocating that Brownell should be one of our first few choices.

However, he is absolutely one of those guys that would be met with open revolt by the fan base, but might win a **** ton of games. Kind of like Chris Collins, who I prefer to Brownell.
 

Might win a **** ton of games? Based on what? Certainly not his record to date. He'll magically become a better coach at IU which is also in a better conference?

I'm not convinced Collins would win a ton at IU, either. Better than at NW? Maybe, but that's not saying much. I don't think he would be significantly better.

At some point, their records pretty accurately reflect their talent. I think that is the case with both.

[Dillion 399]

Ya know who probably has a pretty good idea of who our next coach is going to be?
Trent Sisley and Harun Zrno.

I’ve actually talked to Trent’s dad about the hire and who we thought it would be. Unless he’s keeping it under wraps they have no idea just like us. He just mentions that Dolson calls them and keeps in touch often.


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[Hovadipo 59,334]

2 minutes ago, Dillion said:

I’ve actually talked to Trent’s dad about the hire and who we thought it would be. Unless he’s keeping it under wraps they have no idea just like us. He just mentions that Dolson calls them and keeps in touch often.


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Can’t imagine an 18 year old kid is gonna be trusted with that info. He’ll be on the list of day one calls for the new coach, but he’ll find out who that is when we all do. 

And in case it needs to be said, that isn’t a knock on anyone.