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12 minutes ago, Papacap said:

Then they have too many people involved in the details or the people involved are shitty at their job.  Maybe it’s because it’s a public entity that so many people need to be involved but it’s one thing for it to leak that so and so is a top candidate. It’s another thing for details about pay and timing to leak. People should be fired if the details are true. Or, people are hearing what they want to hear. 

The only situation I can think of with no leaks is the luka trade. That was an owner to owner trade and done within a hour of conversing. Time and two high profile fan bases like IU and Boston just lead to this. Stevens is also unfortunately a type of manager where u have to play the patient long game to try and court him ( breaking bad thing to me is weird though) , and that leads to accidental encounters with fans who know who they are.  Gonna be a small leak here and there. Again not saying the guy is right there but the timing march 2nd would be ideal for me. 

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10 minutes ago, Truthhurts said:

I’m with you. It’s embarrassing and a bad joke that this many people believe any of this crap and that so many are willing to parse words of an obviously “not interested” statement to delude themselves into believing what their fragile egos want them to believe. No wonder we can’t have nice things as a program.  Good bye and good luck. 

If I could shed tears……. I wouldn’t.

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29 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Cronin is a winner. I wonder how he handles the fishbowl. Also would be curious to see how well he gets along with the coaches in the state. Remember Crean was disliked there towards the end of his tenure. Mick seems far more abrasive. 
 

Dusty May is the only guy, outside of Stevens, that I think checks all of the boxes. This year he checked the last one. He’s about to win the league in year 1 at Michigan. I personally think he turns us down. 

I wouldn’t worry about Cronin from a fishbowl point of view.  While UCLA isn’t the same fishbowl, you aren’t going to find someone from a more similar background

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6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The program you are invested in hired a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience the last time.  Are there better options than Cronin? Yep.  All day everyday.   Would he be an upgrade for a program with 1 winning conference record in the last 9 years? Yep.  All day everyday.  

Weird as it sounds given the million page firing thread, but I’m not sure everyone has an appropriate appreciation for just how badly Woody and Archie have done. A guy like Cronin or someone at a comparable level with the resources here would never, ever, miss the tournament. In a bad year they’re top 1/2 of the conference. That is minimum expectation and there are so many guys who could get that done. I honest to God don’t know who they could reasonably consider who’s not an upgrade. 

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14 minutes ago, Truthhurts said:

Good bye

See you tomorrow or even in about 5 hrs when you are back in here posting.  Or when you create a new account and post from it   
 

Mods put a disclaimer in this thread that the information in here may or may not turn out to be true and it’s up to the individual poster to decide 

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22 minutes ago, Truthhurts said:

I’m with you. It’s embarrassing and a bad joke that this many people believe any of this crap and that so many are willing to parse words of an obviously “not interested” statement to delude themselves into believing what their fragile egos want them to believe. No wonder we can’t have nice things as a program.  Good bye and good luck. 

Message board rumors and conjecture don't have anything to do with the success of the program.

We get it, you don't like IU fans and believe the fans are the problem narrative.  This is a pretty common view for the burners and the current staff.

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11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The program you are invested in hired a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience the last time.  Are there better options than Cronin? Yep.  All day everyday.   Would he be an upgrade for a program with 1 winning conference record in the last 9 years? Yep.  All day everyday.  

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?  I get it that Stevens said no.  I get it that May might say no.  But, look for the potential home runs from the other names on the list.  Cronin has already proven over the course of 21 years to NOT be a home run.

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3 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?  I get it that Stevens said no.  I get it that May might say no.  But, look for the potential home runs from the other names on the list.  Cronin has already proven over the course of 21 years to NOT be a home run.

The odds of finding a coach to win multiple national titles is slim to none. It's difficult to win in the tournament. If we get a coach that has us in the big10 title race and in the NCAA tournament every single year...that's better than anything this program has seen in 25 years. 

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Steve 

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15 minutes ago, Papacap said:

Ah, trolls getting all butthurt. If you think this is a cult, why are you here? No one needs a  white knight troll. And Scotty went to another board, lied his @$$ off for brownie points, got caught and is acting like the hero. GTFO with that crap. 

One reason that I left another site and came here was that there was a minimum of hate and personal attacks. 

Let's all take a break from personal attacks.

To disagree with the post is cool.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Message board rumors and conjecture don't have anything to do with the success of the program.

We get it, you don't like IU fans and believe the fans are the problem narrative.  This is a pretty common view of the burners and the current staff.

The whole “fans are the problem” argument is laughable and a cop-out. I will die on this mountain because if fans are a problem, then UK, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCONN, and a few others would be in the same situation as we are. 
 

It all lies at the administrations feet for bad hires, or coaches just not adapting to the evolution of the game. Woodson was an awful hire, and the fans have nothing to do with that failure. Archie was a failure but was not a terrible hire. 
 

The failures of of the last two coaches have nothing to do with the fans. It’s laughable to suggest fans are the problem.

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1 minute ago, 5fouls said:

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  For you sounds like you won’t accept a coach like Cronin.   For others they might be ok with what he has done elsewhere and bring stability to a program that hasn’t competed consistently at the top of the B1G for over a decade 

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8 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

No way IU is willing to spend $11M/yr on a basketball coach. It just doesn't sound like IU to me.

Thanks for the update though. I will choose to believe it's Brad until someone else is announced. 

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Just now, Uspshoosier said:

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  

Agreed.  I think we can also agree that discussion and debate is the purpose of a message board.  If we all thought the exact same way, it would be kind of boring.  

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  For you sounds like you won’t accept a coach like Cronin.   For others they might be ok with what he has done elsewhere and bring stability to a program that hasn’t competed consistently at the top of the B1G for over a decade 

If we get a coach with a near 70% win percentage that makes the tournament every year, I'll be satisfied. I don't know what people want? 

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3 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?  I get it that Stevens said no.  I get it that May might say no.  But, look for the potential home runs from the other names on the list.  Cronin has already proven over the course of 21 years to NOT be a home run.

Sometimes you're better off getting on base than swinging and missing. 

We're down 0-2 on the last two hires... 3 strikes, you're out. 

Hire a consistent winner and give yourself a shot, IMO. 

Swing for the fences when we're coming from a position of strength.

NIL is opening the door for us to have a 1 year turnaround with a proven winner coach.

I'd like to roll with that and see what they can do with IU's resources. There is upside there, why write them off entirely?

Flaming out on 3rd straight hire could be the nail in the coffin.

I'd take Cronin over guys like Calhoun or Bucky McMillan right now 100x over. 

I'd have to think hard about him vs. McCollum if it came down to that (not that we'll ever know). 

If you think Cronin is mediocre you're not looking hard enough at the rest of the CBB landscape. 

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28 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The program you are invested in hired a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience the last time.  Are there better options than Cronin? Yep.  All day everyday.   Would he be an upgrade for a program with 1 winning conference record in the last 9 years? Yep.  All day everyday.  

My middle school basketball coach would be an upgrade. That doesn’t mean Cronin is worth getting excited about. 

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Just now, Uspshoosier said:

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  For you sounds like you won’t accept a coach like Cronin.   For others they might be ok with what he has done elsewhere and bring stability to a program that hasn’t competed consistently at the top of the B1G for over a decade 

This 100%.
 

I don’t want Cronin over some other options, but we are in zero position to turn up our noses at a guy who has made the tournament 14/15 seasons (counting Covid and this season) and is 230 games over .500 as a head coach and 40 over .500 in the B1G. Cronin isn’t remotely mediocre. We need stability and culture of winning, he would bring that. 

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14 minutes ago, Demo said:

Weird as it sounds given the million page firing thread, but I’m not sure everyone has an appropriate appreciation for just how badly Woody and Archie have done. A guy like Cronin or someone at a comparable level with the resources here would never, ever, miss the tournament. In a bad year they’re top 1/2 of the conference. That is minimum expectation and there are so many guys who could get that done. I honest to God don’t know who they could reasonably consider who’s not an upgrade. 

That’s where I’m at with Cronin. Yes, there are more exciting candidates but he’d be someone that basically guarantees we’re in the tourney every year, consistently make sweet 16s, and may occasionally make a real run.

We’d all be VERY happy if his first 5 years at IU looked like his first 5 at UCLA.

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11 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

The whole “fans are the problem” argument is laughable and a cop-out. I will die on this mountain because if fans are a problem, then UK, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCONN, and a few others would be in the same situation as we are. 

It all lies at the administrations feet for bad hires, or coaches just not adapting to the evolution of the game. Woodson was an awful hire, and the fans have nothing to do with that failure. Archie was a failure but was not a terrible hire. 

The failures of of the last two coaches have nothing to do with the fans. It’s laughable to suggest fans are the problem.

100%.  And not only are the fans not the problem, they are our biggest asset and one of the only "elite" or "blueblood" things we have left.  We are still a top-5 or 10 program in revenue and valuation, which is all down the fans somehow spending money on our crap teams.  And then there is NIL, which is very important, and that comes from... fans.  With NIL we have two notable fans that give a lot, but there is an exceptional amount of giving from a lot of people.

And you're also right that the admin and who they hire are responsible for the bad results.